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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Jul 21, 2007
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It is tough for me to say this but the Redstorm will never regain the national prominence the Redmen once enjoyed. The program has gone too far south over the years. It has become a joke to be honest with you. It is hard to think that a school with such a rich history and The Basketball Mecca ( MSG ) for a recruiting tool can not lure its own talent to stay in NYC. The league is still tops in the country. What is the deal ? Coaches ? Whatever it is it is a shame. Norm Roberts was supposed to be a recruiting guru. What 's up ?
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:90
Level:All-Star
Since:Oct 2, 2006
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unfortunately your 100% right. St. Johns wont land another bigtime recruit anytime soon and they are becoming more and more like a mid major everyday losing radio and tv deals and playing in crappy tournaments like the one they are going to in Hawaii this year. Father Harrington and Ron Rutledge are to blame for this program going straight into the crapper. FH never cared about the team since he became president and Rutledge is the main reason they hired Jarvis and Norm, both of which turning out to be bad decisions. if this team wants to be good theyd do whatever they can to get Mckillop from Davidson to coach the redmen next year.
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:92
Level:All-Star
Since:Feb 9, 2007
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After Jarvis, Its amazing St. John's still has a basketball program. Remember that rebuilding take more than just time, an investment from the instution is also needed. I have been to about 15 games while I am still Studing there and it is sad to see more fans of other teams at MSG games than Red Storm fans. If more of an investment is made maybe we will get better results. This year recuiting class was ranked in the top 5. Things are beginning to change; Finally.
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:90
Level:All-Star
Since:Oct 2, 2006
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The 07 recruiting class was solid for st johns but i dont know where top 5 came from. top 20 maybe but not top 5. Jarvis singlehandedly put the program back 5-10 years and Harrington doesnt care enough to make a large investment into the basketball program. SJU missed out on many recruits in the 08 class from NYC including one from their own backyard that is going to UVA.
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Oct 9, 2006
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The '08 recruiting class is light primarily because of scholarship availability. We graduate only one original scholarship athlete, Eugene Lawrence. Biesty and Abit are both walk-ons and I am not positive if they later earned scholarships. Most of the high school Top 150 for 2008 is already signed and there are no listed commitments coming to St. John's. 2007 is going to be a battle with a very young team, but they will be much better in 2008, and look for 2009 to be a solid recruiting class with a lot on which to build. We haven't had a recruit of Justin Burrell in several years, and Rob Thomas will open some eyes. I disagree with the opening post that we will never return this program to prominence. Winning cures a lot, and unfortunately, a lot of the NYC kids have grown up watching St. John's play second-rate basketball, so you see them going to UConn or leaving the conference. When they see the 2007 class grow into a decent team (and they will - Burrell, Kennedy, and Thomas are all very good players and they all work hard), you will see some of the better caliber metro-area recruits stay home again and make the Red Storm into the power it once was. Have faith....
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:90
Level:All-Star
Since:Oct 2, 2006
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Unfortunately Norm cant coach his way out of a paper bag, and even though the recruits from the 07 class are good, they are not good enough to overcome the coaching shortcoming in a talented Big East.
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Oct 9, 2006
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I agree with that part, he is in his fourth year, so the net sum of his four years of recruiting is one senior will graduate (Lawrence) and he has had now seven or eight transfers in that time. He needs to win, and soon, or his time will be up. I am not sure what coach of any acclaim would want to touch this program, though. It is definitely frustrating when teams like Marquette, whose recruits are no more highly regarded than ours, consistently finish upper-echelon in the Big East, win 24 games and play deep into the NCAA tournament. That's the difference between Tom Crean and Norm Roberts.
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:89
Level:All-Star
Since:Jul 25, 2007
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What I don't understand is how in the past four years does Norm Roberts find it in him to not recruit ONE...again ONE player who can hit a 15 foot jump shot over 50% of the time?
He has been here for four years and has gotten his own players and he just lost to Niagra and Ohio back to back the past two weeks...
The clock is ticking on him big time....
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:92
Level:All-Star
Since:Feb 9, 2007
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I agree, whatever happens this season, Norm should be on a Hot Seat right now.
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Oct 9, 2006
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Wow, even with Mason back in the lineup, we struggle against mediocre competition. I fear for what happens when we open Big East play. Norm Roberts, the recruiting "guru" who was going to open the New York City pipeline back up, has only managed to get one top-level New York recruit in four years (Justin Burrell). We have no recruits coming in for 2008, and I don't know that he will get a chance to see 2009. Programs like Pittsburgh, Marquette and Notre Dame have built up into very resepctable basketball schools with good coaching, and that is what St. John's has lacked since Carnessecca. None of the aforementioned schools are pulling in McDonald's All-Americans, but they are getting consistent class after class of solid players, who are well-coached at the college levels and this has brought the programs to the upper echelons.
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:84
Level:All-Star
Since:Jan 31, 2007
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disagree completely. the only question is if Roberts can get them to where they need to be? Fran Fraschilla had no prolblem bringing in top recruits just a few years ago. The right recruiter can get it done. Roberts might not be that guy, but Fran proved your point is wrong.
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Oct 9, 2006
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Then you might need to read that point again. I made two : 1) That Roberts has not been able to recruit effectively and 2) That we have not had a well-coached team since Carnessecca. Fran Fraschilla did bring in high-profile recruits, only to serve out mostly mediocre teams (a reflection of his inability to get these players to play well as a team). I never said that no coach since Carnessecca could recruit, I said specifically that we have not had a well-coached bunch since him. I used three Big East schools as examples of programs who, like Norm, are not snagging a lot of high-level recruits but are winning 20+ games and going to the tournament every year. Their success will foster better recruiting classes. Right now, if you were a talented NYC prep player, would you want to go to St. John's? Me neither...
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:84
Level:All-Star
Since:Jan 31, 2007
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i was replying to the original "point of no return" post, not yours. and by the way fellow johnnie fans, burrell looks like the real deal. he is goning to be a pro, no doubt. He's 6'8, explosive and tough. hopefully he stays three years.
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:63
Level:Pro
Since:Nov 17, 2006
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st johns had a really good recuriting class and if all of their stars stay at st johns they will be able to turn it around
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Jul 21, 2007
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STARS?
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:92
Level:All-Star
Since:Jan 14, 2008
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I agree rubs, what stars? St. John's is the 7th in ncaa all time wins. We shouldn't have to wait around 7 years for a decent season. Does Duke, UNC, Kansas, UK do that. Those are some of the other all time winningest programs. Anyway, having 4 starters back next year from a team that might finish under .500 is not exactly a good thing. Norm has got to go. Give John Calipari anything he wants to get him here. Norm is not getting it done. We shouldn't be talking about the potential we might have in years to come, we should be talking about what seed were going to get in the tourny.
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St. John's at point of no return
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St. John's at point of no return
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Reputation:71
Level:Pro
Since:Jan 19, 2007
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I believe one of <st1:city w:st="on"> <st1:place w:st="on"> St. John's</st1:place> </st1:city> biggest flaws is they have yet to grasp the importance of having strong 3 point shooters. Remember when Bootsy Thornton was here and how good the team was with that kind of threat from 3? It seems to me St.John's has a “Knicks syndrome”, obsessed with athletically gifted guys and are not addressing the biggest needs, size and good 3 point shooting, especially at the college level.
Until the Red Storm grasp this concept, and go out and get a big time coach and pay for him, we are going nowhere fast. Follow the blueprint of a Gonzaga, getting 4 year guys with good guards who can shoot.
This isn't the 80's anymore.
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