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Beasley
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Reputation:95
Level:Superstar
Since:Oct 16, 2007

March 13, 2008 1:49 am

Isn't calling Beasley the best player on KSU like calling someone that smartest rider of the short bus?  Can anyone honestly make the argument that an Eric Gordon, Kevin Love or even Psycho T wouldn't be able to score 40 ppg on that team with them REQUIRING them to do so?  KSU's offense has two plays. 

#1 Pass to Beasley

#2 If #1 is not an option fall into fetal position

This is not an indication of his talent but more so the lack of talent around him!  He is a talented player no doubt.  I am not making the argument that he is not.  Mentioning him with Gordon, Love and Hansbrough should make that clear.  But look at more than the numbers that he puts up for a below average team! 

UNC, IU and especially UCLA don't need those players (and many more through the nation on teams that will last past the first weekend of the tourney) to score 40 points to win games.  Could those players put up those numbers?  Easily!  But they don't need to for their teams to be successful!  A great player makes the players around him better and really makes his team better in the process. 

The last time I checked KSU just finished a 3-5 stretch with wins coming over the #10, #11 and #12 teams in the Big XII.  A blowout of Missouri, a 6 point win over 11-19 Colorado and a 4 point win over 14-17 Iowa State.  This is not the material of a team that has a true leader.  This is NOT the material of the team that has someone deserving this NBA hyped recognition.  A true player of the year would not stumble so harshly down the stretch as the nations eyes are finally rested on him! 

I don't like Coach K but his quotes shed some real light on this sad situation.  "Beasley's terrific, but you don't give player of the year and all this because somebody says he's a better pro prospect."  And this is what it is.  Beasley will make his millions and be a star in the NBA.  A league that plays "basketball" by name only.  But he is NOT the best player in COLLEGE basketball. 

He is the best player on a horrible KSU team that needs him to put up those numbers to win a game at all.  The players I mentioned and many more like them could and would put up those numbers on that team if they were needed too.  That doesn't make them the best in the land.....just the best on that team.


Beasley
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Reputation:95
Level:Superstar
Since:Oct 16, 2007

March 13, 2008 1:58 am

Ok I went back and reread a lot of the other posts and let me stop this before it starts.....

Beasley was double teamed yes....but teams figured out that you let him score his 40, hold the rest of his "team" to under 10 total and you score atleast 51 and you win.  Seems pretty simple to me. 

Its how KU lost when Beasley scored 25 but won when he scored 39.  Hes going to shoot but he can't everytime down the floor.  He just can't.  But if you force the guys around him to make guarded shots...which they have shown time and time again that they can't.....you beat them everytime.  Hence the 3-5 stretch.  Its the same method they used against Texas and Durant last year....and Durant had more talent around him!


Beasley
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Big12alltheway
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Since:Jan 18, 2007
March 13, 2008 6:41 am
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Beasley
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Level:Amateur
Since:Mar 10, 2008

March 13, 2008 8:56 am
you are exactly right, their only option is to get it to Beasley,whereas Carolina at any given time has the option of getting the ball to 5 players that can make a play.

Beasley
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Mar 19, 2007

March 13, 2008 10:01 am

Of course Beasly gets all the stats the rest of his guys are at the other end of the court. Against Duke Danny green had 16 rebounds, hard to lead the nation when you got 3 or 4 guys on your team pulling down 4-6 a game.

 

This is stupid, this is college ball. Hansbrough is the better college ball player. He plays a team game and is totlay selfless on the court.

Beasley will be a great pro, because in the NBA one guy can be so good it makes your team win because its like 10 guys playing 21, no team at all.  (see tracy magrady and the rockets)

So vote him most likely to be a great pro, but not POY!


Beasley
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Reputation:89
Level:All-Star
Since:Apr 6, 2007

March 13, 2008 11:23 am
It's very obvious when people like you start talking, that you haven't watched a K-State basketball game this year. Your'e making assumptions that Beasley is defended like Hansbrough. But you're very, very wrong. Beasley is putting up these number despite triple teams and box and one schemes.

No matter how hard you try to convince yourself that Hansbrough receives the same attention from defenses, you're fooling yourself.

Beasley
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Reputation:95
Level:Superstar
Since:Oct 16, 2007

March 13, 2008 12:05 pm

Wow really?  Not one game?  See your just plain lazy.  If you would check the profile I reside in the middle of freaking Kansas you artard. 

And I am a freaking KU fan.  So if your pee sized brain can pull itself out of Beasleys arse for a minute you would see that I might have atleast watched two.  I don't have an exact count of how many times i had to see his grill but I do know a local station runs triple headers about every weekend on Big XII ball and really what else is there to watch on Saturday afternoon in the middle of a Kansas winter that has been exceptionally cold? 

Your only play Karl is pass ball to Beasley hope he makes it and if he misses grabs his own rebound and then shoots again.  If this formula works and he can score 60-70 a game through the tourney you MIGHT win a game.  Meanwhile players like Hansbrough will lead their team into the tourney ready to play and win with a shot at winning it all.   

You Beasley KSU fans are clinging to scraps of this season while in reality he is half a step out the door and you will never sniff another prospect like him ever again.  Come back to reality and see that the smartest, fastest short bus rider is not better than that the is the smartest and fastest of the rest of us.  Hansbrough could and would score 40 a game in Manhattan.....and so could countless others.  Not only that but it is my personal belief that there are numerous other players who could do the same most of who would have spent the season making those around him better instead of "leading" his team down a 3-5 stretch with wins against the scum of he Big XII!  Good players in the college game make their teammates better around them and he obviously has not done that!  He will make a great pro because thats what the pro game is.......whoever has the ball shoots it like some lame highlight reel. 


Beasley
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Level:Amateur
Since:Mar 13, 2008

March 13, 2008 12:31 pm
I to would like to know how many times you have sat down and watched an entire K-State game this year because I'm guessing it's very few or even none. If you watch him play you realize that he is kevin garnett and dirk nowitzki rolled up in one. He's the better player by far, college or pro. I guess he should have got a few bloody noses because that obviously means you are the hardest working most focused player in college basketball. Which is a laughable argument i hear used by some the espn analyst because 95% of all college basketball player work hard and stay focused during a game. I don't dislike psycho t but b-easy is simply the better player who works just as hard on an above average team (with another projected 1st round nba prospect) who finished third in the seconded rated rpi conference. And the fact he is not a leader is a joke, if you WATCH the games you would realize that he has put an entire team (mostly frosh), a first year head coach, and an entire basketball starved fanbase on his shoulders and carried them to an ncaa tournament which by it's self is worthy of player of the year let alone lead the known basketball world in points and rebounds.


Beasley
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Level:Amateur
Since:Mar 13, 2008

March 13, 2008 12:48 pm
"I'm a freaking KU fan"... I'm sorry about that...but I now realize why you neglect the fact Beasley is the greatest player in big twelve history...ENVY...which I still can't figure out why because when it comes to basketball KU fans got a lot going for them.. I've had this argument with too many of my KU fans friends and was hoping to have it with a UNC fan or some east coast d bag.


Beasley
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Reputation:93
Level:All-Star
Since:Aug 31, 2007

March 13, 2008 12:54 pm

Iamaclown

Beating the scum of the Big 12 huh, like Oklahom State? We did beat them how did KU fair? Your right The fact that we have 2 other players in double figures and Walker pulling down 6.5 rebounds per game and 2 other players averaging around 4 rebounds per game and 9 first year players at KSU 7 of which are freshmen Beasley is a mediocer player.  Your KU Bias and disdane for KSU has blinded you to the talent that is right here in your own state.  How do you know he hasn't made his team mates better?  You don't know the potential of his team mates, and not to mention his job is to score that is his role for this team,  So you think he should pass up shooting a couple of times just so your happy because Gilber to 4 more points?  Talk about a retarded argument.  I can count on 1 hand that Beasley had shot when he probably should have passed this year. 


Beasley
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Level:Amateur
Since:Mar 13, 2008

March 13, 2008 1:01 pm
Obviously you dont know much about baskeball....NO eric gordon, kevin love and all the and Pshyco T could not score 40 if they had to.....in case you didnt know it becomes easier once you have better players around you.  There have been at least 6 games this year where beasley played against a box and 1, all the coaches who ran it said it was the first time in college they have ever used a defense like that....in case you didnt know a box and one is pretty hard to play against, when Psycho T has 7 other mcdonalds all-americans on his team,  a team can barely afford to even double team him.  He gets to go one on one all the time...the only team who tried guarding beasley one on one got scorched for 44 and 15, numbers psycho t has never put up.  and by the way beasley has about 50 more rebounds than him and has played 1 less game......give beasley a team FULL of all-americans and he would be EVEN BETTER cuase teams would have to guard him one on one LIKE THEY DO PSYCHO T.   If you would actually watch beasley and see what he goes through every time he touches the ball you would see how redicilious his skills are, he would be estatic to just get double teamed, if theres not a box and one on him he will get triple teamed every time......You think a team is going to sag off of north carolinas shooters like they will on blake young and client stewart?  So no if eric gordon was triple teamed every time he caught it, he would not score 40, to even say love could do it you are retarted, and for the guy who says all the seniors left PSYCHO T's freshman year, well kstate had 4 startes leave. Thank you and good night now

Beasley
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Reputation:90
Level:All-Star
Since:Jan 25, 2007

March 13, 2008 1:37 pm

Huh.

One wonders how Bill Walker scored 16.5 points a game when all K-State does is throw the ball to Beasley.

And how Beasley shoots 54% if he's always firing up shots from everywhere on the court.

Or how they won their last conference game at Iowa State with freshman point guard Jacob Pullen leading the team in scoring with 19 points.

Or how Pullen's 20 points against KU were the deciding factor in the win in Manhattan.

Or how Bill Walker managed to score thirty points several times this year.

Oh, wait...the problem here is that most message board posters HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN BEASLEY PLAY, so they invent ridiculous assumptions, and speak directly from their tailpipes.

Everyone's seen Psycho Whitey bleed all over the place, and he's a GREAT player, but he's not in the same league as Michael Beasley. Not even close.


Beasley
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Level:Amateur
Since:Mar 12, 2008

March 13, 2008 2:46 pm
...clone-obviously you haven't been watching K-State or Beasley-he's surrounded by a very good nucleus of freshman that will be back in the NCAA  picture next year-we've had some ups and downs learning to play at this level, but the talent now at K-State  is very good and with Denis Clemente (transfer from Miami) and Jamar Samuels ready to go next year-watch out.  Beasley has had 3-4 guys hanging on him and stomping on his feet for most of this season-he plays fewer minutes than TH, takes fewer shots and gets his points-with very little help from the officials, unlike the other POY candidate that we'r'e talking about.  During our losing stretch we were without 3 of our starters-has anybody even mentioned that-we're back to full strength now-bring on UNC-we want a match up with the refs calling it the same on both ends-K-State-not just Beasley-will beat them.

Beasley
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Reputation:95
Level:Superstar
Since:Oct 16, 2007

March 13, 2008 10:09 pm

First off KSU fans are great.  Kevin Garnett and Dirk rolled into one.  I guess  that might be true.....neither one of them has lead a team to anything either.....

Best player in the NBA too!  Wow can he just win the MVP this season and save all of them the trouble him doing it next year?  Are you freaking kidding me?  Do me and everyone else a favor.  Take your hand out of the cheetos bag, your man luggage turned yellow a long time ago thinking of Beasley and realize that your "team" is average at best.  As a KU fan I will take our 24 straight years of dominance...and being 25 I will gladly wait until I am 49 to see that loss again by the way.......and only limited "dominant" players and numerous Big XII Championships, Final Four Appearences, and a National Championship....and laugh all the way to the Final Four again this season.  Enjoy your one and done wet dream KSU fans.  No one of this magnitude will EVER sniff Manhattan "The Little Armpit" again. 

Thank you and good night now

Thanks "traybuster"  Heres something that I think all the KSU fans need "'," its called a comma and you put it in the middle of long run on rambling sentences. And judging by your press conferences with players can you pass that along?  Grammar Lesson Over. 

KSU fans.  I think your a little delirious.  I know that you have been off the scene for over 25 years but this is getting sad.  Beasley is not the next coming of anybodys savior.  Not the NBA's and certainly not yours.  $20 says that since he couldn't find Kansas on a map before he will forget where it is before the last buzzer on your season sounds sometime next weekend.

And on a final note I know your a farming school.  So just remember 'BAAAAAAAAA!!!!' means No. 


Beasley
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Level:Amateur
Since:Mar 13, 2008

March 14, 2008 10:11 am
I would have to completely agree with this line of thinking. Beasley is a great player, however this is college ball. In college it is about the team....There is no I in team last I checked. POY in college should reflect that philosophy.

In my personal opinion I would never give a freshman POY regardless of how good he is. He is just a freshman and hasn't leaned the true value of what college ball is all about. Teamwork, hardwork, and sportsmanship to name a few. Beasley reflects many characteristics of a Great College Player but he is not there yet.

Point #1- Anyone remember Beasley's quote...."We will beat them in our house, their house, and in Africa?" or something like that. Referring to KU. A true POY would NEVER talk like that because they have learned a certain level of discipline one learns as a young man from their college coach.

Point #2- If he was putting up numbers like he is and KSU was a top team in the country.....then we would be talking about legitimacy as a COLLEGE POY.

Don't get me wrong.....I like Beasley and he will fun to watch in the NBA, but what would be more fun is to see him at KSU for a few more years. If he can commit to that then I will gladly support him for POY.

With that said I support Hansbrough because he reflects the qualities of a true college player, not a player who went to college because he couldn't enter the NBA until after his freshman year. Whic