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Tampa Bay not needing a quarterback?
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Tampa Bay not needing a quarterback?
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I agree with Judge's analysis of the Bucs' needs - they do need a corner, could use another end alongside Gaines Adams and aren't one of the handful of teams that don't need help along the O-line - but he misses one need that they will soon have to address. He mentions that Jeff Garcia is 38 and, at his age, it could be just one bad hit that puts him on the shelf permanently and leaves the Bucs with...well, who? Chris Simms? Bruce Gradkowski? Since their draft stocks are expected to have dropped from the first-day picks they were once projected as, would taking a risk and picking someone like Dennis Dixon or Colt Brennan really be such a bad idea? There are question marks over all of them, that's no surprise, but if they don't pan out, they've lost a second-day pick. That's not much to cry over.
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Tampa Bay not needing a quarterback?
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Obviously this story doesn't address all of the picks available to the team, it just covers the first round. to that respect the Buc's should not use their number one on a QB, but like you said, maybe a second day pick on a guy who might have a little upside, Dixon and Brennen fit the mold of a younger Jeff Garcia.... mobile, big arm, but I'm not sold that they'll be around on day 2. I those guys as late 2nd early 3rd rounders at worst, definitely not first round guys, but not bottom of the barrel either.
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Tampa Bay not needing a quarterback?
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Tampa Bay not needing a quarterback?
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Jeff Garcia is a winner - no matter how many yards he passes for. He's clam and cool and it affects his teammates in a positive manner. He also doesn't turn the ball over much.
Having said that - the Bucs would be wise to NOT draft DeSean Jackson, on the surface he is extremely desirable. A slightly deeper look exposes how much of a selfish self-centered major ego this guy has. This was extremely noticable in his last year at Cal. Garcia would throw to Jackson, but he wouldn't neccessarilly like it - kinda like with TO. Plus, Jackson is not a very developed physical receiver, he's mostly finese - he gives up too easily when he's pushed at/near the line of scrimmage. And on punt returns and reverse trick type plays he dances way too much and often loses yards.
The Bucs are still good enough to be a force in the playoffs thanks to their D, but they don't need a headcase like DeSean on their team right now since it'll take him at least a good 2-3 years in the NFL for his attitude to change. Playoff teams don't need problems like Jackson to negatively affect their team in a serious playoff push or playoff game.
And there are plenty of other receiver options almost as good or better than Jackson.
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Tampa Bay not needing a quarterback?
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When you look at John Gruden many people can understand why the Bucanneers can't consider QB one of their draft priorities. Gruden likes veteran QBs and he appears to collect them. He doesn't generally like young guns, so why draft one?
Another side of this argument would be: If Jeff Garcia goes down there are several possible options one of which will make do... but if Joey Galloway goes down, who'd going to keep the opposing team honest to prevent them from crowding the line and stuffing the run? And if they're already crowding the line, what's to stop them from trying to knock Jeff Garcia out while they're in the backfield.
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I have to agree with you too Michman, that a QB should not be their first pick in the draft especially when qb is such a risky risky pick in the draft. Consider that out of the 2008 pro bowl that only 2 out of the 8 selections were first round picks. It would be hard for me if I were a GM to take a QB in the first round if there was other value out there. Tampa Bay should take a QB in the later rounds where there is not as much risk involved. It seems like when teams take a qb too in the first round they stick with him through thick and thin for 3-4 years example: Joey Harrington, David Carr, Jake Plummer, Byron Leftwich, and the list goes on. Don't take a qb fill those other holes.
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Tampa Bay not needing a quarterback?
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I think the Bucs should take the FB from West Virgina in the 1st round to replace Alstott. Draft QB in the second with Flacco.
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Tampa Bay not needing a quarterback?
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They don't NEED a rookie quarterback - they've already signed Brian Griese this offseason to go with Jeff Garcia, Jake Plummer (maybe), Bruce Gradkowski and Chris Simms.
They might spend a late round pick on someone who is raw and could spend several seasons around the veterans there and improve into perhaps a starting quarterback, maybe someone like Joe Flacco, although I don't see him getting past the second round
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lifelongBEAR Concerning DeSean Jackson. What WR doesn't have an ego. IMO they should have one. It's the one position that lends itself well, in that a WR that is only concerned with stats is what makes a great WR. I'll take a WR that concerned about # of catches, yards and TD's. I could careless about how well they block.
Don't get me wrong about Jackson, I do have my concerns considering that he's about 5'10" and 175 lbs., but I can see Chucky using him in a similar role that Tim Brown played in Oakland's offense. Moving him around with short routes over the middle but he's better after the catch than Brown was at that point in his career. He also would be more of a deep threat. As far as his attitude, there are enough veterans on the roster to keep him in check with Galloway, Hillliard, Garcia, Brooks, etc.
I also like Limas Sweed of Texas, whom I seen compared to Andre Johnson of the Texans. He seemed to always make big plays in college, I'm just not sure if he'll have the speed to do the same in the NFL.
That's my 2 cents. Go Bucs!
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Everybody is forgetting about Luke McCown. He did pretty well when Garcia went down a couple times last year. I think I would take a good look at next years draft as well before we take a QB. Seems like we would be fine for one more year even if Garcia goes down. Look how well our top 3 picks have panned out for us the last couple years. Almost all of them are starters or will be. One more year of a solid top 3 picks (excluding a QB) and we could be solid at every position and with youth.
I say roll the dice. Wait til 09 or late round flier
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Tampa Bay not needing a quarterback?
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scottb63 - you're 100% right about WR's having enormous egos, but there are different types of egos. Some are good for their teammates and others aren't. DeSean's isn't good for any team. I didn't even know this until after Cal's bowl game this year, but apparently the team had in-team fights during the latter part of the season and I can guarantee you that DeSean was one of the reasons that it started. When his ego is not at full strength it's good for the team, when it gets to and above a certain level it's terrible.
And to be serious - right now in terms of route running, shorter routes in the middle of the field and such, Cal's LaVelle Hawkins is actually a better pick than Jackson. With Hawkins there would more likely be more of an immediate impact than with Jackson for whoever picks them.
And seeing how Jackson was last year - even getting advice from vets on his team might take a while for him to get his mindset more on the straight path.
To the poster about the WV fullback - he would be great for the Bucs system, but would taking him in the 1st round be kinda stupid. Wouldn't he be there in round 2-4?
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ForceFed240- u took the words rite out of my mouth. Luke McCown looked GREAT when he stepped in. and really Gradkowski looked pretty darn good in the preseason when he played. and now that they also have Griese i think they are pretty set at the QB position for a few more years. i say u trade Simms as much as i like him i think hes done with the Bucs.
that being said i think they would be stupid to leave Jackson on the board past pick 20. they better jump all over him when they are on the clock. IMO i think he can be the next Steve Smith. i read somewhere that he worked out with Jerry Rice in the offseason and he taught him how to be a player on and off the field so i dont think he will have any attitude problems.
BUT if they must take a QB in the late rounds i say u def dont take Brennan cuz hes pathetic and a system QB. i mean hell if i had 4 WRS every play and throwing 50-60 times a game and playing against highschool teams i could prolly put up his kinda numbers too. look at what he did in his bowl game...........enough said. he cant hang with the big boys. but if u have to take a QB id say u look at that Johnson kid they were talking about. hes the most mobile QB and they say hes got a pretty good arm. dont take a QB anywhere higher than the 4th round tho.
this is what i think the bucs should do in the first 3 rounds
1st round: DeSean Jackson if hes not there then u take CB Mike Jenkins
2nd Round: if u got D-Jax then u take the best CB available and if u got Jenkins then u take the best WR available
3rd round: id say u have to take either OL or DL. personally i think our O-line is goin to be very very good this year so i say go DL.
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What happens if D Jackson AND Jenkins are gone??? Trade down for more picks since we only have 5???
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I think the Saints could be the team to beat this year with some of the pick ups in the free agency market and a couple of good picks in this years draft. Jonathan Vilma, Randall Gay, and Bobby McCray where great pick ups to help a struggling defense. I also think with Usama Young getting a lot of reps during the season, the Saints done have to go into the first round of this years draft looking for a corner! They should take the best player on the board but if its not a player they need like a QB, like Matt Ryan, I would trade down and pick up some additional picks. The top three players in the first round the Saints should go after are #1 Darren McFadden RB, Arkansas, #2 Glenn Dorsey DT, LSU, and #3 Derrick Harvey DE, Florida. A good defensive line can make average Linebackers look great! In the later rounds a Fred Davis, 6-4 250 TE, Southern Cal, Josh Johnson, 6-3 185 QB, San Diego, and Matt Forte, 6-1 224 RB, Tulane. These players are safe picks who could turnout well for the Saints just in case Duce or Reggie go down during the year and also gives D. Brees and M. Brunell on the roster at QB another young QB to show how to play the NFL game. The Fred Davis could see time during the year the way Eric Johnson has been struggling these past years in the NFL.
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I can see the Bucs using a second day pick on a QB but it all depends on who they take in the 1st round. I think they take Jenkins CB from USF and then a WR in the 2nd round and from there it could be QB Woodson from UK or RB Ray Rice from Rutgers depends whos left, they could take a QB on day 2 but then they would just be hopeing for the best left. We have Griese as our back up with McCown as our 3rd stringer and then Bruce. Simms will be gone he hardly can throw a football right now from the scar tissue.
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