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Coach K Is A Terrible Recruiter


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Coach K Is A Terrible Recruiter
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Since:Oct 24, 2006

April 1, 2008 5:55 pm
Let's compare and contrast:
Duke 2008: 1 5-star, 1 3-star
UNC 2008: 2 5-star, 1 4-star
Duke 2009: 1 4-star
UNC 2009: 4 5-stars
Duke 2010: Nobody
UNC 2010: 2 5-stars

Coach K is by far the worst recruiter I have ever seen. With the name like Duke, he should be able to recruit anybody, but I guess not. And it's not like these guys aren't committing to Duke, Coach K isn't give them offers.

Roy Williams needs to get out the broom, because for the next 4 years, Duke is going to be swept by UNC. And this isn't bias, I'm a Duke fan!!

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April 1, 2008 7:51 pm
I really like Kyle Singler and Nolan Smith, he gets boos though for letting Blair go

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April 1, 2008 8:34 pm
And he should get boos for that.  Blair wouldve made them a serious National Championship contender, and thats the only big man they couldve gotten recently

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April 1, 2008 9:09 pm

Duke 2005: 2 5-star, 3 4-star

UNC 2005: 1 5-star, 3 4-star

Duke 2006: 3 5-star, 1 4-star

UNC 2006: 3 5-star, 3 4-star

Duke 2007: 1 5-star, 2 4-star

UNC 2007: Nobody

Yeah Coach K's a terrible recruiter.  Three straight top 10 classes plus another top 25 in 2008.  Not many other coaches including Roy Williams can say that.


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Since:Feb 26, 2008

April 1, 2008 9:51 pm

C'mon people your being far too harsh on Coach K.

First off, I'm a UCLA fan but being a student of the game I am compelled to watch the Duke program every year. I like to keep tabs on all the big name programs and there's a reason I watch yours.

Coach K knows how to coach. Few schools land the best recruiting classes every year but many schools do very well with what they have. Coach K consistently coaches his teams into top ten because he's a great coach and teacher.

Every program has it's down periods. Believe me, as a Bruing fan I've waited many years to see my team return to pseudo prominence. We hang nothing but National Championship banners at Pauley Pavilion


Coach K Is A Terrible Recruiter
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Since:Feb 26, 2008

April 1, 2008 9:51 pm

C'mon people your being far too harsh on Coach K.

First off, I'm a UCLA fan but being a student of the game I am compelled to watch the Duke program every year. I like to keep tabs on all the big name programs and there's a reason I watch yours.

Coach K knows how to coach. Few schools land the best recruiting classes every year but many schools do very well with what they have. Coach K consistently coaches his teams into top ten because he's a great coach and teacher.

Every program has it's down periods. Believe me, as a Bruing fan I've waited many years to see my team return to pseudo prominence. We hang nothing but National Championship banners at Pauley Pavilion and


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April 2, 2008 2:01 am
You may be a Duke fan but obviously don't know anything about Duke. First off, UNC has the luxury of recruiting any player in the country. The academic requirements are a little more stringent for Duke. Duke can't just go out and get any player in the country. They have to be selective in that process. They have to be able to play in the system but also be quality athletes with good academic standing. An exception may have been Sean Dockery but somehow they made that work. Secondly, Duke has lost so many players to the draft much earlier than almost any other team over the last seven years and that includes UNC, Do you not need to be reminded that Brand (sophomore), Maggete (freshman), Avery (freshman), Williams (junior), Randolph (junior), Mcroberts (sophomore), Deng (freshman), Dunleavy (junior) Boozer (junior) and Kris Humphries and Shaun Livingston were headed to Duke but never made it because they went straight to the NBA. Word had it that even Kobe was favoring Duke out of high school. Take all the players and tell me that Coach K and his staff are terrible recruiters. Unlike previous years when Duke players were flops in the NBA, they are not puttiing quality players in the league. I believe there are more Duke players then UNC players, At one point, there was Boozer, Battier, Duhon, Deng, Redick, Williams, Brand, Maggette, Dunleavy, Randolph, D. Jones, D. Ewing, and even G. Hill. Not mention Livinston and Hunphries who never made it.

Please take the time to think before you start blasting Duke because if you don't no one can take you seriously.

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April 2, 2008 8:33 am
Oh God, could you imagine if Duke had Kobe for a year???? no wonder he likes Coach K so much....

I was upset when we lost the shot at Livingston, he was a late NBA bloomer and got serverly injured, that was a huge loss for Duke and Shawn.

Duke is struggling now so of course it falls on recruiting,

Zoubek
Thomas
McRoberts never lived up to top billing

McRoberts left early but he was soft, he should of been as good if not better than Psycho T, and he clearly wasn't.

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April 2, 2008 8:54 am

Im a Tarheel, but i really cant believe this thread????  Coach K is no where close to being a terrible recruiter.. He cant brain wash kids into coming. Duke pretty much recruits the same kids Carolina do, but its ultimately up to the kid and his parents to make a decision on where they want to be. Anybody can get knocked out of a tournament at any time and just because you lose doesnt meant you're a bad team or your coach is losing it or he cant recruit. For you guys to have as many MCDonalds All Americans on your team, proves that he can recruit. Its just a few down years and you've had them before, bounced back and been just fine.. The same thing is going to happen and then everyone will be back to saying Coach K is the greatest ever and rightfully so. You can talk about academics all you want, but private schools can accept anybody they want to. I could see if Duke was the only school in the nation trying to get better while everyone else stayed the same, then you would have a valid point, but every team in the nation is trying to get better at the same time and that just means more competition.. Also, McDonalds A A's arent the best players in the nation. They may be in ranking because of various media outlets, but there are hundreds of players just as good and sometimes better when coached right.  I say, stop worrying about your future, cause its going to be solid once again.. Give it time.. I know its hard because we get so spoiled by our top tier programs, but believe me when i say "It will be ok."

 

Your friendly Tarheel


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April 2, 2008 10:03 am
Drebrotha, As always, I agree with you 100%. Being a Carolina Panther fan, I get this a lot from the other "so called" fans. The Panther fans only want to be fans when they are winning. Being a fan is like a marriage, you have to go through the ups and downs. You have to support them the same every year. I hate it when the Panthers are losing and everyone starts to leave. I am there until the final whistle blows, cheering them on. I wish I could get into Duke, one of the best schools in the nation for academics. Not to mention top 10 medical and law schools. I'd ride the bench just to get a degree from there. Then, not every team can win every game. You win some you lose some. Plus, for people outside of North Carolina, NC has way more fans of UNC than any other school in NC. Most of the people here grow up UNC fans. Hence the reason most NC natives want to end up at UNC. I am the only person in my family that likes Duke. I just grew up in the Grant Hill era. Coach K is an outstanding coach and every Duke fan that says otherwise should be ashamed of their self. Especially when Tarheel fans even come to the defense of Coach K. I don't question anything Coach K does, he brought USA basketball back to life. He can bring us back to life. If we lose the next 1,000 games, I will still be there with my Duke blue on cheering just as hard as the glory days.

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April 2, 2008 1:22 pm
How many scholarships is duke allowed?

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April 2, 2008 5:29 pm
Duke Fan: If you are going to argue a fact, at least make sure that fact is correct. In 2005, Duke had 2 5-stars and 2 4-stars, Jamal Boykin is a 3-star. And in 2006, there were 2 5-stars (Zoubek, what a joke) and 2 4-stars, Scheyer was a 4-star. And what is this showing? Here's the 5-star count: Duke-6, UNC-12.

mickey54: I never questioned Coach K's coaching, I questioned his recruiting. And you're a UCLA fan. When the Bruins can't make it out of the Sweet 16 for 4 straight years, then we'll see how you feel about Howland.

bsp1227: Let's talk in the past 4 years. I'm not questioning Coach K's recruiting with the Duke teams that won the national championship in 2001, or made it to the Final Four in 2004. I'm questioning Coach K's recruiting with the teams that lost in the Sweet 16 twice (as #1 seeds), and the teams that lost in the 1st and 2nd rounds. And you brought up part 2 of my problem, once the players are here, you have to keep them here. And I don't even mean losing them to the draft, I mean that the kids transfer. When you have 3 players transfer in 3 years, you know there is a problem.
By the way, Kris Humphries committed to Minnesota. He never even got an offer from Duke.

dj J Bras: 1. You can't call me a fair-weather fan, I'm a Duke football fan. When you can name the entire Duke offensive line (without looking), give me a call.
2. Once again, I never said he was a terrible coach, I said he was a terrible recruiter.
3. Fans can be angry with their teams. That doesn't mean they abandon the team. I'm 100% behind the Devils, but I think that getting a 6'4" guard and 6'7" forward (who likes to play facing the basket) when the team needs a big man is absurd.

gocubs34: The NCAA allows 13 scholarships per team.

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April 2, 2008 8:10 pm
You must be using Rivals.com djo81491.  I used Scout.com and those are there rankings.  They had Boykin as a 4-star in 2005, Scheyer as five star in 2007, and Soubek as a 4-star in 2007.  You should get your facts correct about Kris Humphries.  If I recall, Kris Humphries was offered a scholarship by Duke, committed to Duke, signed a letter of intent of with Duke, and then decommited from Duke to sign with Minnesota later.

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April 2, 2008 8:11 pm

You must be using Rivals.com djo81491.  I used Scout.com and those are there rankings.  They had Boykin as a 4-star in 2005, Scheyer as five star in 2006, and Zoubek as a 4-star in 2006.  You should get your facts correct about Kris Humphries.  If I recall, Kris Humphries was offered a scholarship by Duke, committed to Duke, signed a letter of intent of with Duke, and then decommited from Duke to sign with Minnesota later.

Sorry about the first post.


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April 2, 2008 9:54 pm

i love a fan who knows the 411 !  your average fan (including all unc fans) believe that

duke lives by the same (academic) standards as all the other acc schools and that they

are the only acc school that has suffered due to early departures.

TrueDukie


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