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Since:Sep 5, 2006
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I really don't understand why everyone thinks Adam Dunn is so bad and needs to go. Adam Dunn is the kind of player you build your team around. He is a prototypical clean up hitter. The reason why he hasn't hit as well as he could is very simple. The Reds have no one to hit behind him. Thus, he either swings at crap pitches, waits for the pitcher to make a mistake, or walks. Edwin Encarnacion is not the guy to have hitting behind Adam. Trade Edwin for a real third baseman. Lance Berkman would be the kind of guy to have hit behind Dunn. Now, I guess if the Reds are not going to find some protection for Dunn then I guess trade him for some prospects but just don't let him walk for some draft picks. Here are some reasons to keep Dunn.
1.) He is the most productive prospect to come up through the organization in the last 20 years.
2.) He averages 40 HR, 100 RBI, 100 Walks, and a .380 OBP every year. Oh, and don't forget his 6.5 steals a year. LOL
3.) The Reds built Great American Ballpark for Dunn and Griffey.
I don't want to hear about his defense, low batting average, and K's. He is working on his defense and finding a real number 5 hitter will solve the other two issues.
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Since:Feb 14, 2008
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well muskiefan, i think on this issue you are in either one of two camps. you see dunn's low AVG, high Ks, and bad defense and think he is not a very valuable player, so you want him gone. or you see his high OBP, high SLG, and the other stats that are strong points for dunn, and you can forgive the bad and think he IS a valuable player.
it seems to me that this issue is really divisive though. the people on each side of the argument seem dead set on thier view, and there isn't a middle ground. few players ignite debates like Adam Dunn! when i saw this post, my first thought was, "when are people going to stop arguing about dunn's value and production?" but i think the answer is probably never. i think everyone has weighed in by now; everyone knows where everyone else stands, and there isn't going to be any progress for one side or the other.
essentially, you're preaching to the choir, and the rest of the congregation isn't listening. there are no converts
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Apr 24, 2008
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The only people who can change our opinions on Dunn one way or the other is to change things. They either need to find a spot that he does well or Dunn himself needs to figure out what he wants to do with his future and play well no matter what the situation is.
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:May 30, 2007
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I like Big Donkey. I have a Big Donkey replica jersey. I would like for Dunn to continue to be a Red. I would like for Donkey to do a better job at swinging at pitches in the strike zone and taking the pitches outside the strike zone, which I frequently observe. In other words, I would like Donkey to have a better eye and thus he would be a better hitter. His good pitches might be somewhat limited, but I also believe he is not swinging at the good pitches when he gets them. I would like for Donkey to get at least a few meaningful hits and HR's with runners on base. Donkey walks don't help a lot if the rest of the Reds line-up can't hit him in.
Current Donkey vs another player who can hit .280 or above, including with runners on base, and play much better defense, I take the other player and miss the Donkey.
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Oct 20, 2006
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muskiefan -
I am one of the rare ones that are on the fence when it comes to "All or nunn Dunn". I do like him, I still think he has a lot of potential, and agree that he's not going to look good with someone like EE hitting behind him. I think the best thing to help Dunn out would be to get a competent manager who knows how to make out a lineup. I think if the Reds send him off, it's due to their own failure in following through on developing a player. Just like if they keep bouncing Bruce and Votto in the lineup, and keep cuddling Griffey as if it were 1997 and he's in his prime. Instead of keeping Griffey hitting 3rd, they need to change the order around to conform to Dunn, Bruce, and Votto in the middle, lefty pitchers be damned.
It's going to be sad when/if Dunn does get traded to a team who can use him correctly, has a good hitting coach, and he succeeds.
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Reputation:92
Level:All-Star
Since:Sep 24, 2006
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Muskiefan
Your absolutely right in that the Reds don't have anyone in their line up let alone on the roster you can hit behind Dunn. However there is an even bigger problem with Dunn and that is his approach at the plate. He isn't patient enough although he does lead the league in walks. He also doesn't do a good job of using the entire field to hit. Strictly a pull hitter he has a lot of weak ground balls to the right side..
I also disagree with blaming Baker. Weather you put Votto or Bruce behind Dunn isn't going to change a thing. I think Votto and Bruce are going to be very good and productive hitters at this level however at this time in their early careers both Votto and Bruce are not going to scare major league pitchers as much as Dunn would. As for any hitting coach trying to change Dunn at this stage it isn't going to happen. Hitting coaches at this level are there for advise, talk about the mental part of hitting, and to help the younger hitters.
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Since:Jan 19, 2008
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