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UMMM im not sure if you know your geography but the last I checked Indiana has other schools as well. Butler, Purdue, Notre Dame! how can you say he will b the number one coach here? that is dumb! With these 3 schools all being ranked this season and purdue and notre dame are only going to get better, wat is your reasoning?? You need to check your facts or should i say geography before saying this crap. IM sure Matt Painter has something to say about it. the state of Wisconsin has Bo Ryan and the state of Indiana has matt painter who beat Bo Ryan twice this season.
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Indiana is and will remain the top program in that state
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Heh, Purdue fans....
IU is top dog in Indiana college basketball. YOU KNOW THAT. IU fans out number PU fans 3 to 1. ND is a football school, Brey isn't even top dog there. Brad Stevens is young, he inherited a great team and did well but that hardly translates to him being the big boy on the block. And while Painter is having great success so far at Purdue and really will probably be tops in Big Ten next year he is still at the #2 basketball college in Indiana. Why don't you win at least 1 championship before you claim your number 1 title in Indiana.
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Come on Indy_Colts, couldn't you pretend to be somewhat objective? I'm glad Boilermaker fans have hope for the future because Purdue has been irrelevant for too long in my opinion. Matt Painter looks like he's going to do a really good job. That said, the head basketball coaching job at IU is not only the most prestigious in the state (and it's not even close for that matter), it's one of the top 5 or 6 in the country. I wouldn't dare rank them, but the only schools in the same class as IU are: North Carolina, Kansas, UCLA, and Kentucky. I don't count Duke because before 1990 no one really cared. Mike Kryszewski has proven to be a great coach, but once he retires can the next coach maintain that program? I honestly don't think so, but we'll see.
You may want to cut back on the geography classes and crack open the sports page every once in a while if you want to discuss them on a message board.
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Sure, Indiana has a lot of other basketball schools: Purdue, Butler, Evansville, Ball St, Valpo, IUPUI, Indiana St., IPFW, Notre Dame.
How many NCAA titles have they won combined? Zero.
IU? Five. Only UCLA and Kentucky have won more, mainly behind those legendary coaches named Wooden and Rupp.
As for appearances, IU is 5th all time with 35, behind Kentucky, UCLA, North Carolina, and Kansas.
Notre Dame: 29; Purdue: 22; Butler: 8; Valpo: 7; Ball St.: 7; Evansville: 5; Indiana St.: 3; IUPUI: 1; IPFW: 0.
Sorry, even though Indiana is college basketball Mecca (Carolina is Medina), and even though in Indiana if your first toy is not a basketball your parents get called on child neglect, the game's premier site in Indiana is still at Assembly Hall, and nowhere else.
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Dude, I'm a Purdue grad and huge Purdue backer. I'm also realistic. Coaching Indiana bball is and always will be the one of the top jobs in the state. Bob Knight amplified a mystique that already existed from the McCracken days in a bball hungry state.
Purdue has more Big Ten titles than anyone and a winning record against the other 10 programs. What doesn't Purdue have? The name (and thus support at berth) of a state in it's university title and a Nat’l banner. IU has 5. Not buying the name thing? Compare Auburn and ‘bama historically. How about Marshall and W Va? What about Wisc and Marquette? Tennessee and Memphis? Those 2 reasons, coupled with the legendary, nat'l persona that was (and still is today) Bob Knight and you reasonably understand why the IU job is so much bigger than any in the state. Just recently with the Colts monster success has anything come close to reaching the fervent fandom that is there for IU hoops. Peyton Manning and probably Dungy are the states largest figures right now. Dungy will soon be out of the picture when he retires next year. If Peyton plays until he's 40, so another 9 years, he eventually rival Knight's status.
IU consistently sells out a 17,500 person arena with no problems. Purdue not so much When the Purdue students are out of town, Purdue struggles to get 10k. In the early 90’s Purdue use to always be a packed house. We’ll see if that mentality returns for Purdue with sustained success under Painter. No matter how you slice it, whether it be TV ratings or attendance, most of the state follows IU. Meanwhile the Purdue fans are generally just those that went to the school and residents of Northwest Indiana.
Now current situations? You couldn't pick a better one than what Painter has created at Purdue to rebuild a dormant program. IU’s couldn't be much worse. What, with maybe 6 players coming back right now, the best being Jordan Crawford? Not to mention still having one of the most disastrous Athletic Departments in the country (while Purdue's is a model of stability)
Butler bball? I love Brad Stevens and that team this year was great (Still pissed they didn't beat Tenn), but come on man, They avg around 3,500 fans a game and get two games a year on ESPN2 and a handful more on ESPNU.
ND bball. HA hahahahahah. Talk to 10 exclusively ND fans, and I'll make a bet that 7 of them couldn't name a player o nthe team other than Harangody until the middle of Feb. ND bball, while being very good of late, is the ugly step-sister of the mighty (yet sucking) football program.
That's just the facts man. The Mississippi columnist knows what’s going on.
By the way. Purdue will win 2 of the next 3 Big Ten's. Stomp the crap out of IU in their next 5 meetings and win that elusive Nat'l Title. We’re getting it in the Indy FF in 2010 baby. Boiler Up!
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Indy Colts. Dude, I'm a Purdue grad and huge Purdue backer. I'm also realistic. Coaching Indiana bball is and always will be the one of the top jobs in the state. Bob Knight amplified a mystique that already existed from the McCracken days in a bball hungry state.
Purdue has more Big Ten titles than anyone and a winning record against the other 10 programs. What doesn't Purdue have? The name (and thus support at berth) of a state in it's university title and a Nat’l banner. IU has 5. Not buying the name thing? Compare Auburn and ‘bama historically. How about Marshall and W Va? What about Wisc and Marquette? Tennessee and Memphis? Those 2 reasons, coupled with the legendary, nat'l persona that was (and still is today) Bob Knight and you reasonably understand why the IU job is so much bigger than any in the state. Just recently with the Colts monster success has anything come close to reaching the fervent fandom that is there for IU hoops. Peyton Manning and probably Dungy are the states largest figures right now. Dungy will soon be out of the picture when he retires next year. If Peyton plays until he's 40, so another 9 years, he eventually rival Knight's status.
IU consistently sells out a 17,500 person arena with no problems. Purdue not so much When the Purdue students are out of town, Purdue struggles to get 10k. In the early 90’s Purdue use to always be a packed house. We’ll see if that mentality returns for Purdue with sustained success under Painter. No matter how you slice it, whether it be TV ratings or attendance, most of the state follows IU. Meanwhile the Purdue fans are generally just those that went to the school and residents of Northwest Indiana.
Now current situations? You couldn't pick a better one than what Painter has created at Purdue to rebuild a dormant program. IU’s couldn't be much worse. What, with maybe 6 players coming back right now, the best being Jordan Crawford? Not to mention still having one of the most disastrous Athletic Departments in the country (while Purdue's is a model of stability)
Butler bball? I love Brad Stevens and that team this year was great (Still pissed they didn't beat Tenn), but come on man, They avg around 3,500 fans a game and get two games a year on ESPN2 and a handful more on ESPNU.
ND bball. HA hahahahahah. Talk to 10 exclusively ND fans, and I'll make a bet that 7 of them couldn't name a player o nthe team other than Harangody until the middle of Feb. ND bball, while being very good of late, is the ugly step-sister of the mighty (yet sucking) football program.
That's just the facts man. The Mississippi columnist knows what’s going on.
By the way. Purdue will win 2 of the next 3 Big Ten's. Stomp the crap out of IU in their next 5 meetings and win that elusive Nat'l Title. We’re getting it in the Indy FF in 2010 baby. Boiler Up!
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As an ND fan let me say this.... IU is to basketball as ND is to football. Now most of you would think that is a good thing. However, right now both programs are in a rough spot. IU has repeatedly made mistakes over the past 8 or so years. The firing of Bob Knight, Miles Davis, and then Sampson. IU is embarrassing itself and has been on a decline lately. Yeah they have had a few bright spots, like the first 3/4 of the year. But this year will not be remembered for the good record and play the team produced, but instead the black eye given to the program by both its coach and the athletic department. ND has also been in the same boat in football. They have made some bad moves as well, the force out of Holtz (atleast a good portion of the fans believe he was) the hiring of Davie, then the O'leary fiasco, the firing of minority coach Tyrone, and Just when we see a bright spot in 05 and 06 ND got smacked around. Neither program has won a National Championship over the past two decades. So trust me, unless these programs begin to turn things around, they will no longer be the mecca of their respective sports.
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Y'all got that right! The elite college basketball schools over time have always been IU, KU, UNC, UCLA, and UK. Mostly clean programs and great coaches (John Wooden, Bob Knight, Dean Smith, Roy Williams, Fogg Allen, Adolph Rupp, Rick Pitino). 29 national titles. 68 Final Four apperances. 204 tournament bids (top 5 being these very schools).
That says it all.
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Add me to the list of Purdue fans & grads that realizes that IU is a better more high status job. You can't beat history involving national titles. Sometimes recruits want to blaze a new trail and create history but 9 times out of 10 top recruits want to go to a proven winner with a history of national titles, the schools with the history get the media coverage and the TV opportunities...
I think Matt Painter is a great coach (although until he gets his first national title or Final Four I'll think Crean is a better coach...I'm a closet Marquette fan much of it due to what Crean did there in restoring Marquette to a power) and I like the potential to Purdue turning into the most coveted status in Indiana and the Big 10 some day. With the proximity to the Indiana basketball hotbed AND Chicago, I think a young hardworking coach like Painter can get Purdue a national title.
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He didn't say the ONLY school in Indiana, he said the #1 school in Indiana, and if for some reason you should doubt that, check the championship banners. 5 hang in Assembly Hall while 0 hang in Mackey Arena. 0 is the same number owned by the Irish and the Bulldogs as well. Purdue is great and has a very bright future with Matt Painter and the strong freshmen class, but they'll always be Indiana's version of Marquette . . . second fiddle!
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2nd fiddle to Wisconsin? No offense, but until Dick Bennett arrived UW basketball was a joke! And it took him a few years to get that program going. Last time they won a Nat'l Championship was 1941 for cryin out loud! From 74 to 95 their best finish in the Big 10 was a tie for 6th (89). Not until Bo Ryan have they been one of the more dominate teams in the Big 10.
Marquette has been the more premier program in Wisconsin (if not all Wisconsin then in the Milwaukee area where bout 1 in 3 Wisconsin people live). Anyone ever here of Al McGuire? One of the more legendary coaches in the history of college hoops. Won a National Championship in 77, has been in tourney more than UW. MU basketball has far more history than Bucky ball.
So instead of only competing against one in state program he'll be competing against 3? Butler, Purdue & Notre Dame, three strong basketball programs right now. And a team with 5 new starters and possible sanctions on top of that it will be hard to win early on. I'm sure IU fans are forgiving!
Also leaving an 11 year contract after the 2nd year into it is pretty crappy! Not classy,at all. It just seems in sports, contracts are pretty meaningless. Why bother having them at all? Nobody, no matter what sport ever lives up to his contract! Now NYG's Osi is planning on a long holdout if his contract isn't renegotiated. I think MU should say "No!" we're not letting you out of the contract!
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I think he's referring to history, not the past couple years. Only UCLA and Kentucky have more national titles than IU (5). ND, Butler, and Purdue have a grand total of 0 - combined.
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Peedubya - The contracts are in place for purposes of job security and recruiting. There are no athletic departments in the entire NCAA (save the big boys - UCLA, UNC, Duke, Kansas) under the delusion that "hey, everyone wants our coach, but he's under contract until 2020, so no worries".
A school can't just not let their coach out of his contract; the coach would simply not show up, thus breaching the contract and forfeiting his salary. A school's only option is to deny potential suitors the right to interview the coach. Do that too often, and nobody will ever work for you again.
It's just the way it is, for better or for worse.
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