Mets Fans Back? Amazingly Miraculously Believable

jdizzy,

Let me correct this.

No partial fan knew of Maine's talent. He was known to have alot of upside when he was traded and their was a moron in Baltimore at the time. Do you think that the current Baltimore GM would've made that deal?

Positive, as usual you are comparing Apples to Oranges and using it to your advantage to slam the Mets.

As you know there is a big difference between a buyer and seller.  And a bigger difference in a team looking to make a move to solidify a team for a playoff run and one looking to improve the team for the future.

In Montreal Minaya knew the team was being sold and by all accounts was told to dump players that will cost money in the future while still trying to compete in that season.  That trade will arguably go down as one of the worst in League history....but neither you nor I know what the owners told him to do.  Maybe it was perfect for the situation.

Give me one GM for a big market team who makes under the radar trades like you are talking about?  Of course evaluating young talent is difficult, but when you get four players for one your chance of one of them becoming a stud increases.  When trading for one player you all have your eggs in one basket.

Then how would you describe Omar Minaya's trades when he was in Washington? He traded some interesting talent away to get veterans and essentially caused major damage to their farm system.

Then how come there are so many draft busts if it's easier to get studs out of a bunch unproven prospects over proven veterans? If it's easier, shouldn't Minaya go after the young guys instead? This really turns the argument around. Even in your defense of him, he looks like an idiot because according to you it's easier to find talent by asking for a bunch of young cheap high level prospects than it is to get a bunch of proven high-priced players. Why is he not trading away all of the Mets veterans and going after the prospects since the Mets would be able to keep them with their money? Shouldn't he do the easier route? If it's easier, he should be able to build an All Star team for far less money and still sign what he wants afterwards. Wow. Do you want to re-think this argument? If it's easier to find talent the way the Marlins do it, the Mets have the funds to do what the Marlins do and even more. So, again, your argument makes Omar look like a bigger arse then I said.

And let me see, Minaya got Santana after the Red Sox and Yankees turn the Twins down? How is that support for your argument?

Again, how would you describe Minaya's performance in Washington (who has less $$$ and had to live with his trades) when he destroyed their farm system by trading some really good talent away. Was he a genius there too?

PH,

 I understand getting prospects back doesn't guarantee anything but when your boss tells you you must get rid of payroll you contact the other teams with your rating sheet of their prospects and try to get as many of the top ones you can. PH remember Dombroski, people were calling him a  genius for getting good talent after the 1997 fire-sale then went to Detriot and although made it to the WS he is doing it the way the big markets team do it and what gets fans in the seats Big name players because his ownership allows him too.  Were/Are both Larry and Dave great GMs or is it because they traded Big Names and got alot of prospects for them amounting to hitting on some real good players

BTW Omar was with the Expos they were owned by MLB and he had little money to do anything, his first year he got Colon and Floyd and the Expos actually finished over .500. He was only there for 3 years and made minimal moves because of the constraints of MLB owning them.

PH - I'm convinced your a reasonably intelligent person. Why do you have to make arguments like this, knowing that your going to be shot down, because its a terrible point? You must know its coming...

When Minaya was in MONTREAL he made lots of poor trades because that was the SMART thing to do. If I tell you that you have a year to live and you want to enjoy it, you don't start saving all your money in the bank and hoping to go live out your dreams in 5 years. Bud Selig and the MLB ran the Expos into the ground. Minaya was stuck in a sinking ship that couldn't be fixed. Had the expos won two WS in a row, things might have been different. But he had to get he most value he could right away, and the when you've only got two more years to play, veterans are much better value than prospects who will take years to develop and mature. I assume you knew all that, though I'm not sure why you would make the point. He wanted to win right away, because the Expos had no future.

"Then how come there are so many draft busts if it's easier to get studs out of a bunch unproven prospects over proven veterans? If it's easier, shouldn't Minaya go after the young guys instead? This really turns the argument around. Even in your defense of him, he looks like an idiot because according to you it's easier to find talent by asking for a bunch of young cheap high level prospects than it is to get a bunch of proven high-priced players. Why is he not trading away all of the Mets veterans and going after the prospects since the Mets would be able to keep them with their money? Shouldn't he do the easier route? If it's easier, he should be able to build an All Star team for far less money and still sign what he wants afterwards. Wow. Do you want to re-think this argument? If it's easier to find talent the way the Marlins do it, the Mets have the funds to do what the Marlins do and even more. So, again, your argument makes Omar look like a bigger arse then I said."

Not at all. Minaya and the Mets are expected to win, every year (at this point). When your expected to win, you can't bank on prospects. Your making a terrible point, again, and this time your just ignoring the obvious retorts because you know they work against you. And when you overpay players like Delgado or Pedro, you can't trade them. These are all basic baseball principles, I'm not sure why you're ignoring them. And before you point it out, Pedro and Delgado are overpaid, and righly so, because of FSNY. And it was smart, and it worked. The Marlins can wait for prospects because if they don't make the playoffs for the next decade, no one will be disappointed or surprised. They have no expectations to live up to. The Mets do, and moreso than 90% of the tea