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Ok, for Shoeless34, and others, I see the point here, so from 1996:
8-3, 2.09 ERA, 5 saves, 107.2 innings, 73 hits, 25 runs, 1 homerun, 34 walks, 130 strikeouts
1-1, 1.55, 2 saves, 29.0 innings, 15 hits, 5 runs, 2 homeruns, 7 walks, 41 strikeouts
Projected over 107.2 innings (assuming the ERA, hits, etc. trends continue):
4-4, 1.55, 7 saves, 107.2 innings, 56 hits, 19 runs, 7 homeruns, 26 walks, 152 strikeouts
Similar numbers, although I find it hard to believe that a guy who gives up 1 homerun every 15 innings can stay on par in the categories of ERA, saves, and runs with a season in which one homerun was given up in 107.2 innings, especially with a career ERA hovering around 3.50. Realistically, the wins-losses might be similar to the 4-4 and the walks-strikeouts might end up similar to the 26-152, I just don't see the 1.55 sticking around too much longer, considering he gave up 3 homeruns in 69.1 innings last season and already has 2 in 29.0 this season, It's hard to compare 23 games with 61.
Besides, this argument comes up every year with a new flash-in-the pan closer that fades back into obscurity after the season is over, not that Marmol will, just a lesson in patience and careers. Only one closer in the history of baseball has close to as consistently great as Mariano Rivera, and Rivera has more 50 save seasons than does Trevor Hoffman, and in three more seasons, Hoffman has only 78 more saves. So, even at that, Rivera, in all likelyhood, unless he retires before Hoffman does, will end up the greatest closer ever. Marmol isn't even the best set-up man in the MLB this season, Hideki Okajima from the Boston Red Sox has better numbers:
1-0, 1 save, 9 holds, 0.93 ERA, 16Ks, 4 walks
And, if you are saying you can't compare Rivera to Marmol, then it's impossible to make the claim that Marmol is clutch, set-up men can't really be "clutch" unless they are saving games, and you don't see "holds" as a major statistical category in most places, besides, a guy named Kyle McClellan from the St. Louis Cardinals is leading that statistic anyway.
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Aw, look, Corona again. If I didn't know any better, I'd say you follow me around. Marmol is a very good pitcher, and I would love to see a closing three like Joba Chamberlin, Carlos Marmol, and Mariano Rivera as a 7-8-9. The starting pitching would only have to hold a lead or keep it close for 6 innings before the game was over. They could pull the #3 starters from 4 other teams and have Wang + those guys and would probably have a record closer to 34-10. No more Kyle Farnsworth and LaTroy Hawkins? I think I just had a wet dream... excuse me for a few mintues...
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No...I DO follow you around. Not like I am all stalker, but you always create interesting discussions wherever you go. I did NOT show up to watch you change your tighty whiteys though.
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USMC 5811 - What about last year? Are you kidding me? Well lets see. He was third in the whole league for strikouts by a RP. Only Heath Bell and Jonathan Broxton had more and Bell pitched 93.7 innings and Brox had 82 innings pitched. He had more strikeouts than K-Rod in just about the same number of innings. Basically if you compare his stats last year to any other proven RP, Marmol was just as good if not better.
Marmol's 2007 stats: 5 W, 1 L, 1 S, 96 K in 69.1 innings pitched with a 1.43 ERA, 1.1 WHIP, and 1.69 BAA
Marmol's 2008 stats: 1 W, 1L, 2 S, 41 K in 29 innings pitched with a 1.55 ERA, 0.66 WHIP, and 1.25 BAA
By the way, he is only 25 years old. Maybe Marmols's not a top 5 reliever yet, but if you don't even consider adding him to your team you would be fired as a GM.
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But, occasionally, he is a bit to aware of the situation and what he is about to do and he loses focus on repeating his mechanics. Do not read this as a criticism or hating. It's just an observation. Remember, on the road, you do not get the chance for a completely blown save in the 9th inning.
That's a really astute observation, and one borne out with a situation from yesterday's game during Marmol's (albeit clutch) performance. When he almost took the top of Carlos Lee's head off, which was pretty obviously neither an intentional beaning nor the ball slipping out, I think he demonstrated one of the key reasons he is not closing at this time. There's no do-over of that sort of event in the bottom of the 9th. IMO Lou needs to see him harness that adrenaline and keep his focus, and the first sign of weakness in that area was when he got rattled in closing situations late last year. If the baseball gods are willing, age and experience will take care of it. Till then, personally, I'm celebrating the chance to see one of the best who's pitched in that role in my lifetime.
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Marmol has 0 control and if I remember right, a few years back one of your dumb a$$ pitchers threw at Oswalt and then we kicked your a$$ for the rest of the year. It is well known that you guys will choke as usual so don't get to excited.
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Marmol has 0 control and if I remember right, a few years back one of your dumb a$$ pitchers threw at Oswalt and then we kicked your a$$ for the rest of the year. It is well known that you guys will choke as usual so don't get to excited.
Sorry, partner, you've landed on the wrong thread. You're looking for the Berkman mascara suppliers chat site, which is down the hall and up your ...
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Okay...once again...I'M IS TRYING TO SAY THAT MARMOL IS BETTER THAN RIVERA.
He is a very promising pitching with simply filthy stuff. He is proving to be rather clutch as he has inherited 46 baserunners since the start of 2007 and stranded 40 of them.
I feel better with him on the mound and RISP than most of the other releif pitchers in the game right now...MOST.
And singling out the few times that Marmol has given up home runs in his career is like saying that Mariano isn't clutch because of game 7 agains the D-Backs...or that he couldn't close out the BoSox in 04.
I LOVE Mariano Rivera. I think he is one of the top 3 relievers ever. I don't think Marmol is even in his class...but I think he has the chance to get there.
Let's give him some time.
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It'd be silly to compare Marmol to Rivera at this point in their careers. That being said, in today's game, Marmol is one of the best, young relievers playing today. And clutch doesn't isn't just reserved for closers. Clutch is a guy who comes out with guys on base at a crucial time in the game and shuts the rally down. That's how the Cubs are using Marmol.
And to that Astro's fan who had a disconnected thought about a few years ago beaning Oswalt. This is not the same Cubs. What are you guys going to do when you find out that Lance Berkman isn't going to bat over .550 all season and you realize that you have no pitching.
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