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i'd love people to explain how kershaw has outperformed joba so far as a starter yet joba is improving and kershaw has control problems
kershaw has faced tougher competition overall
kershaw is 2 yrs younger than chamberlain
kershaw's last game he went five striking out more than joba did in his last game
kershaw and joba both walked about the same
kershaw only gave up 2 ers in all but one start and all but one went 5 innings or more
joba's best game isnt as good as kershaw's best game
joba has more major league experience
lets look at the numbers closer
Kershaw (20 no prior major league experience)
5/25 STL 6.0 innings pitched, 5 hits, 2 er, 1 bb, 7 k's
5/30 NYM 3.2 innings pitched, 5 hits, 4 er, 4 bb, 2 k's
6/04 COL 5.0 innings pitched, 5 hits, 2 er, 4 bb, 5 k's
6/10 SD 5.1 innings pitched, 6 hits, 2 er, 4 bb, 5 k's
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Total 20.0 innings pitched, 21 hits, 10 er, 13 bb, 19 k's
Chamberlain
6/03 TOR 2.1 innings pitched, 1 hits, 1 er, 4 bb, 3 k's
6/08 KC 4.1 innings pitched, 5 hits, 2 er, 1 bb, 5 k's
6/13 HOU 6.0 innings pitched, 6 hits, 1 er, 4 bb, 2 k's
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Total 12.2 innings pitched, 12 hits, 4 er 9 bb, 10 k's
also last time i checked 9 walks and 10 k's isnt as good in 12.2 innings as 13 walks and 19 k's in 20 innings.basically chamberlain would have to go 7.1 in next outing striking out 9 while only walking 3. yet kershaw is the one having control issues? last i checked stl is better then any team chamberlain has faced and COL and NYM put up more pts then kc and toronto.
id say if anyone has no control it would be chamberlain who faces weaker teams, walks more percent wise and strikes out less percent wise while being older and having more major league experience. yet somehow sportsline is calling chamberlain improving and kershaw struggling? they must be yankee fans because that graph shows otherwise. plus on top of that kershaw's last outings where he was present on the mound. he gave up a 2 run hr and nothing more. he then gave up 1 er before leaving. joba before his last game was giving up a run in almost 50% of the innings he pitched in.
nothing absolutely nothing is showing chamberlain is struggling less than kershaw unless giving up more walks percent wise is better. of course when i sent an email to cbs it didnt get replied to because they know im right.
kershaw is better than chamberlain and i guess cbs is praying chamberlain ends up more than a reliever in the end and trying to justify his performance. when truth is a guy who is older. with more ml experience and facing weaker opponents should do better.
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Since:Aug 22, 2006
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Gosh, don't think this post could've come from a Red Sux fan, do you? Really, I know most Boston fans are more intelligent than this, so please stop embarrassing yourself by using statistics when they can be used to prove how wrong you are.
So nothing shows that Chamberlain is doing better than Kershaw? How about ERA? As a starter, Chamberlain's ERA (based on your numbers, which I admittedly did not double-check) is 2.84. Kershaw's is 4.50. I'd say that's significantly better. Except for his first start (which was his first start in about a year, if not longer, when he seemed extremely jacked up in the first inning) he's walked 5 people in 10.1 innings, or roughly one every two innings. Kershaw walks about one batter every 1.5 innings. So if you excuse his first inning as a major-league starter (which most people with a little bit of knowledge do) his control has been significantly better than Kershaw's. Even if you count that first inning, his rate is one walk every 1.4 innings, which is comparable to Kershaw, and his lower ERA as a starter shows a superior ability to work out of trouble. Joba's opposing batting average (again using your numbers, so not including any double-plays that were turned) is .240; Kershaw's is .259. Once again, Joba rules.
Half the stats you put up as supporting your argument are utterly ridiculous. For instance, pointing out that Kershaw's gone five-plus innings in all but one start is meaningless. Because he started the season as a reliever, tonight was the first time Joba's pitch count was high enough to go five-plus innings. And Kershaw's given up two runs in three of his four starts, but Joba's given up one earned run twice and two earned runs once. That's a better pure number for Joba, but is equally meaningless because of the low pitch counts in the first two games.
Bottom line, Joba gets the hype because his stuff is just flat-out filthy, and he's dominated as a reliever so people are intrigued by his ability to make the transition. He has improved with every start as they stretch out his pitch count, which is what is to be expected. In early returns, he's been the better pitcher. But for a real comparison, it's too early to tell. Wait for Joba to get off the pitch count and wait for both pitchers to get through the league at least once. Then we'll truly see who the better pitcher is.
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Since:Sep 11, 2006
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1. Kershaw does have control problems. So does Chamberlain. Neither have thrown enough innings to merit being concerned about either.
2. Rankings in Runs Scored:
Kershaw Chamberlain
Colorado 24th Toronto: 25th
San Diego 29th KC: 28th
Mets 16th Astros 13th
Cardinals 8th
15 games under .500 total 18 games under .500 total
Basically, when it comes to offensive prowess, Colorado-Toronto and San Diego-KC are washes. The Astros have a slight edge against the Mets. Kershaw has one extra start, against St. Louis, but spare me the tougher competition bit. Neither of these guys have faced any kind of lineup. There's not exactly a monumental difference.
3. What do these stats illustrate? Nothing. Why? Because these guys have thrown, like, 32 innings between them. God, seven combined starts and you're already complaining about some percieved bias in the coverage of the two guys. Chamberlain's last start he gave up a run 50% of the innings he was in. That's not even a meaningful stat. Can I try one?
Kershaw's last three starts: 14 innings, 16 hits, 8 ER, 12 BB, 12 K
Chamberlain's last three: 12.2 innings, 12 hits, 4 runs, 5 BB, 7 K
Well, look at that. Chamberlain has better ERA, allowed fewer hits per inning, walks per inning, and has a better K/BB ratio. So I suppose from MY stats, it would appear Chamberlain is the one improving.
Bottom line: Both guys have one quality start. Niether guy has pitched more than 6 innings in any start. There's absolutely NO difference between Chamberlain and Kershaw at this stage in their development as a starting pitcher. Short outings, control issues. Quit whining
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Since:Sep 27, 2006
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1st off the to the guy who says gosh. only losers say that. thus your opinion means nothing to me after i saw that word
for those who think im doing this as a sox fan. if that were the case id be comparing a Red Sox player vs a yankee player. hughes is better than chamberlain, and within 2 yrs chamberlain will be back as a reliever.
kershaw is a dodger and really clearly is better than chamberlain considering age and amount of total ml experience. plus i believe it was chamberlain who bombed as a sp in spring training. truth is a 22 yr old with any pro experience should be better than someone who is younger and without it. anyone defending chamberlain is a yanks fan because they wish to deny these facts and wish to think that chamberlain is the next gooden rather than what he is and thats the next wilson alverez.
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Reputation:86
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Since:Apr 5, 2007
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Oh gosh now the name calling is going to start...
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