What are you mets fan gonna do?

knowitall -

I am not one to believe that pitching can turn around a team. It takes a lot more than the guy who delivers the ball to the batters to turn a team around. What happens when the ball is hit? All pitchers give up hits, someone needs to field the ball. So I don't understand this theory of the pitcher being the nucleus of the team. It's just not true. That doesn't answer your question and I didn't read all of the other posts, but I can't really answer for my Mets peeps.

And, in all actuality, I don't think the Mets have woken up. How can you turn something around that is unconscious? They showed signs of waking up, but they never came-to if you ask me.

Another thing about Johan coming in to save the day by himself, I actually feared that he would be shaky at first, but he proved me wrong. Not that I'm saying he's shaky now either. He's been known to give up a few donkeys throughout his career, but he's still legit and in my mind he's also a straight-up BAMF.

Also, can the "lone ace" that you deem him <insert eye roll> pitch every game? Nah. The Mets have some talent in the bully and they're coming to life. Lemme sum all of that up... One pitcher doesn't make or break a team.

Sportsknowitall:

The last time Santana-Hamels dueled Santana was the winning pitcher and dominated the Phillies lineup.  Heilman gave up a 3 run homer to make it look closer than it was. 

Second, how far are we back right now?  The Mets have been killed with injuries this year (pedro, castillo, church, alou, schneider to name a few) and we are still in it.  At one point we only had beltran patroling center for a long period while our corner outfielders were hurt.  Its tough to be consistent when someone new is hurt each day.  Watch out when we get healthy and throw out the same lineup for a few weeks.  The Phillies have had nowhere near the injury problems we've had. 

Wow, I am actually impressed with some actual put-together sentences there...it's not as bad reading misinformation when it's at least put together correctly.

OK then, so I'm confused.  Here was your quote:

First of all so what if Brett Myers was a closer last year he still pitched great, you don't know jack about baseball first of all 2003(12-3, 3.07 ERA) wasn't that good, And don't forget about 2007(15-13,3.33 ERA) wow it really looks like he only had 3 good seasons in his career. How do you consider him an ace he never kept his loses under 5 when he won more then 15 games.

Now, we'll put aside the fact that Myers is now in the minors...which usually isn't a good sign.

So anyhow then, you are telling others they "don't know jack about baseball" if they think 15-13 with a 3.33 ERA is a good season.  Now, let's see:

3.33 ERA ranked 6th in the American League:

Lackey:  3.01

Haren:  3.07

Bedard:  3.16

Sabathia:  3.21

Beckett:  3.27

Santana:  3.33

OK then, so if that's "bad", then you're saying only 5 pitchers in teh AL had "good" seasons last year?  I'm trying to think of the word...what is it?  Oh yeah, ridiculous.

Now, Santana also had 15 wins and 235 strikeouts.  Let's see how that stacks up.  Strikeouts aren't bad - he was #2:

Kazmir:  239

Santana:  235

So again, by saying Santana was "bad", you're saying only ONE pitcher in the AL was "good" last year.  Huh?

OK now on to wins.  Wins are, of course, a strange stat since you can lose 5 1-0 games and win only one game 9-7 and be 1-5...but every baseball fan knows that.  So the best way to quickly measure the quality of his starts is...wait for it...quality starts.

Haren:  28

Carmona:  26

Sabathia:  25

Lackey:  24

Meche:  23

Pettitte:  22

Bedard, Garland, Halladay, Santana, Verlander:  21

So, he was 7th in the league.  Considering he was pitching in a hitters' park in Minnesota, there's absolutely NO WAY you can say he wasn't one of the top 5 pitchers in the AL last year.

OK finally...and I have to do this quickly because I've actually got work to finish today before I leave, in 2003 he had a 12-3 record and a 3.07 ERA...which you called a "bad" year.  He started 18 games that year, roughly half of a normal starter's load for the season.  So I'm not sure how he was supposed to win 20 games in 18 starts.  He had 169 strikeouts in 158 innings, a WHIP of 1.10 and he won 80% of his decisions.  How is that a bad year?  Seriously, go ahead and fill me in.  There is nobody--NOBODY--with stats like that this year at the halfway point except for maybe Edison Volquez.  Either way, nobody would EVER say a guy with a 12-3 record, a 3.07 ERA, a 1.10 WHIP and 169 strikeouts at the break is NOT having a good year.

Oh, and one final thing...don't question my use of commas or slashes.  Slashes are perfectly valid there.  Go look it up in your textbook.  It's not a list in a technical sense, it's a group of options.  Actually while I'm at it, don't question my use of the language at all.

Your right one pitcher won't turn it around that's why I don't think we can just win with hamels, That's why I hope we get sabathia or a decent pitcher that's somewhat young. Your bull pen isn't as good as the phil's, what are you going to do when myers turns it around too and we either stick him in the bullpen or back in the roatation? either way he will tear it up and him as a setup man or even a LR is scary.