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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 27, 2006

July 3, 2008 3:08 pm
I'm a diehard Red Sox fan, have been all of my life.  I used to hate the Yankees and all that they stood for, but not so much any longer.  I'm not sure why the rivalry doesn't feel the same, but here are some possible ideas:

1. Player movement between teams/changed perception of players:

At first, I was really angry when Johnny Damon signed with the Yankees, but that faded after his first year in NY.  It's clear he's nowhere close to the same player he used to be, and now I've become pretty pleased that the Sox didn't resign him.  Also, players like Ramiro Mendoza and Mike Stanton have switched teams in the past, and it sort of makes it hard to develop a hatred for another team's players.  Media coverage of the various players has changed, too.  Part of what makes me angry about some players is how overrated they are in various ways, but most everyone who pays attention to baseball has gotten off the Derek Jeter gold glove bandwagon.  Jason Giambi is now too ridiculous to hate (the pornstache and the thong? Please).  A-Rod hasn't made any extremely arrogant statements lately, either.

2.  Too many games:

I really believe the saying "absence makes the heart grow fonder" is true in this case.  Yankees-Sox used to be something special, a treat you only get a few times each year.  Now it's boring because they play each other as many as 25 times a year (including playoffs).

3. No (real) Steinbrenner:

A significant portion of the hatred of the Yankees, at least for younger fans like myself (I'm 23), was tied up in hatred for George Steinbrenner.  Now that he's senile (or more senile), the Yankees don't really have that figurehead to hate.  Hank Steinbrenner has tried to replace his dad, but everyone knows that Hank Steinbrenner is a fat, ignorant moron, and  a complete joke.  George Steinbrenner was arrogant and had unbelievable/completely out of place standards for his players and management, but at least they came from a semi-rational thought process.

4.  The Yankees just aren't that good anymore:

The 2001 and 2003 World Series, and the 2004 ALCS have essentially broken the 1990's Yankee mystique.  Mussina is back to pitching well this year, but he's not really intimidating.  Jeter and Posada are still on the team, but they're also old and not really the same players as they were eight years ago.  Joba Chamberlain has to continue to be this dominant, and Philip Hughes has to develop into a frontline starter, in order for the Yankees to become anywhere close to as imposing as they were in the late 90's and early 2000's.  Please don't read this to mean that I think the Yankees are a bad team -- they're clearly a very good baseball team.  I just mean to say that 7-8 years ago, teams were afraid to face the Yankees.  Now they're just another very good baseball team, and it's not such a big deal anymore.

Obviously I come at this from the perspective of a Red Sox fan, but I'm not trying to rip the Yankees with any of these observations.  Just trying to sort out why the rivalry isn't, to me, quite as gripping as it used to be.

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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 18, 2006

July 3, 2008 3:48 pm
No more Joe Torre either.

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Reputation:90
Level:All-Star
Since:Jul 3, 2008

July 3, 2008 3:52 pm
the reason it isn't as good anymore is the redsox don't suck like they used to. getting kicked in the teeth for 100 years by the Yankees gave them the "little engine that could" feel that people could rally behind. now they are the "in" team and their lovable loser mystique is gone. so point number 4 is probably closest to the truth. i will agree that giambi is rediculous. manny is not exactly the poster child of class and dignity either though. maybe something will happen this weekend to add some spice to this thing. it's way more fun when they hate eachother.

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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Jun 16, 2008

July 3, 2008 4:01 pm
It is the most overblown rivalry in sports.  They have no home grown players so there is no feeling of loyalty to the players before.  The wild card has also diminished the rivalry because they both normally make the playoffs which didn't used to be the case.

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Reputation:67
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Since:Sep 20, 2007

July 3, 2008 4:10 pm
Both teams are very good, not dominating and intimidating like they used too be.  They actually switched roles and the Sox are the hated dominating team and the Yanks with all of their injuries and bad player decisions are a triple A team with some sprinkles of superstars.  Both are sub par and are getiing beat by a Rays team with a lot of grit and determoination(Yanks in 1996, Sox in 2004).

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Reputation:90
Level:All-Star
Since:Apr 23, 2008

July 3, 2008 4:37 pm
How can you say they have no home grown players. That is one of the dumbest statements ever uttered. Have you ever heard of Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Robinson Cano, Melky Cabrera, Andy Pettite, Mariano Rivera, Joba Chamberlain, Jonathan Papelbon, Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia, just to add a few Red Sox.

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Reputation:91
Level:All-Star
Since:May 19, 2008

July 3, 2008 5:51 pm

All of the above points are relevant, and I'd like to add a couple more...

The curse is lifted.  Now that the Sox have a couple more Series titles in the decade than do the Yankees, the whole anticipation of the big event is past.  With the every pitch tension of the games between the two from 2002-2007, it is just too exhausting.  What happened to just watching a game and falling asleep in the recliner?  I'm ready to go back there...

The Yanks are starting their reloading process, and the Sox probably need to come to grips with the reality that they aren't as loaded as the reports would have us believe.  Example, this week:  Yanks lose two out of three to the