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Patscheat, you keep bringing up the first amendment as if it is somehow relevant to the argument. There are people who believe that Obama was raised as a Muslim and they have provided evidence to back it up. Then you claim that since the mainstream media is not reporting it then it must not be true. I can then turn around and show how the mainstream media manipulates news to support their left wing views.
If you believe that the mainstream media is an honest attempt at fair, unbiased reporting then you are guilty of the very same "ignorance" you believe is associated with blogs. Do I believe Obama is a Muslim? No, he is not. Did he begin his childhood as a Muslim? Yes, he did. Is he a Christian? Despite being in that church for 20 years, no, he is not a Christian. It is a fact in politics that you have to present yourself as a Christian to have a chance at the presidency.
Instead of dismissing sources right off hand, maybe you should come up with a few of your own to support your position. I don't like all the sources that are posted from guys like Carolina when he posts them, but at least I check into each and every source that is posted that refutes my argument so that I can present a counter-argument. You don't do that, you just dismiss the source your opponent presents and then declare yourself the winner. You are a smart guy, but that tactic makes you look like a fool.
I have to go to work, but later I will post evidence that supports my view that Obama is not a Christian.
I believe that someone's religion is up to them. I have met people who say that they are Christian, but act that way at all. Other who are atheists who follow the Golden Rule. My point is you can not judge a man based on his actions if he is a Christian or not. Religion is an internal thing, and all this religion talk is irrelevant to the presidential race
If Obama says he is a Christian, then I believe him. If John McCain says he is a Christian then I believe him. It should have absolutely no baring on who to vote for. This is America where religion should take a back seat to policy, but for whatever reason it doesnt.
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Obama the Christian
http://bp0.blogger.com/_MnYI3_FRbbQ
/R5TrN0RTKFI/AAAAAAAAAfE/OcHrLrst7z
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http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenw
ald/2008/01/21/obama/
Obama the Christian
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07
/01/obama.evangelicals/
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com
/archives/2008/07/a_proobama_spot_o
n_christian_r.php
Obama the Christian
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/0
7/02/politics/horserace/entry422769
3.shtml
blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/<wbr> </wbr> 2008/01/14/obamas_christian_appeal.html
Obama the Christian
mensnewsdaily.com/archive/s/stix/20
04/stix082204.htm
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/<wbr> </wbr> content/article/2008/06/20/AR200
8062002477.html
Keep going?
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Charles Krauthammer's new column, which will appear in tomorrow's paper, is more prescient than even he realized: In last week's column, I thought I had thoroughly chronicled Obama's brazen reversals of position and abandonment of principles -- on public financing of campaigns, on NAFTA, on telecom immunity for post-9/11 wiretaps, on unconditional talks with Ahmadinejad -- as he moved to the center for the general election campaign. I misjudged him. He was just getting started. [snip]
Obama's seasonally adjusted principles are beginning to pile up: NAFTA, campaign finance reform, warrantless wiretaps, flag pins, gun control. What's left?
Iraq. The reversal is coming, and soon.
Two weeks ago, I predicted that by Election Day Obama will have erased all meaningful differences with McCain on withdrawal from Iraq. I underestimated Obama's cynicism. I suspect he will make the move much sooner -- using his upcoming Iraq trip to finally acknowledge the remarkable improvements on the ground and formally abandon his primary-season commitment to a fixed 16-month timetable for removal of all combat troops.
The shift has already begun. Last Friday, he said: "It's time to be in a responsible, gradual withdrawal from Iraq." The next step is clear: simply define "responsible, gradual" as meaning "flexible." It won't be hard. Obama will say he remains pledged to a withdrawal, that the 16-month time frame remains his goal, but that as president he will necessarily take into account the situation on the ground and the recommendation of his generals in deciding whether the withdrawal is to occur later or even sooner.
Done. And with that, the Obama of the primaries, the Obama with last year's most liberal voting record in the Senate, will have disappeared into the collective memory hole.
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Remember then this 4th, and if you ever have a 1/2 an hour to kill buy a homeless guy a coffee and listen to them (just stay away from the crazy ones), most are not dumb just victims of circumstance and like I said quite a few served this country.
I will take your suggestion.
We don't have many homeless where I live, but I will take the time to help them out, vet or not.
I used to quite a bit, but have become callous because of some bad experiences with them (not vets, homeless in general).
However, they deserve our help and I will make an effort.
Thanks for the advice.
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Why does IIPapa mimic Satan's lies?
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Why does IIPapa mimic Satan's lies?
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Why you do you hate the bill of rights which gives us all the freedom from religion?You wanna re-word this hayseed?
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