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Lakers could pursue Maggette?


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Lakers could pursue Maggette?
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Since:Mar 15, 2007

July 8, 2008 1:01 pm

Crotch ease up on the Euro's man, can you honestly say that the Lakers would have made it to the Finals with Kwame Brown (home-grown)?  Gasol was a key addition and I'd take that spaniard over Kwame Brown any day of the week.  He was a big part of why we even got to the Finals, w/o him we dont get past the first round.  I just cant wait to see him and Bynum on the floor together, thats gonna be something special.

My 4th was good man, alot of boozing and an unfortunate encounter with the ex, other then that alot of boozing indeed!


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July 8, 2008 2:33 pm

I think that people are over-reacting about trading Odom.  Prior to the Finals and after Gasol arrived, Odom was putting up a double double and shooting over 60%, I dont see how he cant put up the same type of numbers with Gasol and Bynum. 

Not necessarily.Odom is a inconsistent outside shooter.Thats what hurt the Lakers on offense.No one is saying Odom cant put up good numbers,the problem is when the Lakers play against a good defensive team,he's ineffective.As you said the Celtics just clogged the lane and forced him to take jumpers.Once Bynum returns the Lakers will be hard pressed from behind the arc.All of their outside shooting would come from their bench.Odom has a nice all around game but the Lakers reminded me of the Cavs when they played the Cetlics.Since the rest of team was ineffective,the superstar was also ineffective.Kobe worked harder than I ever seen him work just to score 20 points in most of those games.

Lamar at the SF outmatches any small forward in the league.

I dont see how.He's 6"11 and he rarely posts up smaller players.He's not quicker than your average 3 so theres really nothing he can do but play like Boris Diaw while he's a 3.He can be a rebounder,passer,and he'll be left wide open for the mid range jumper.Once again he's capable of playing the 3,but theres a reason Phil Jackson doesnt like him playing it.That reason is he is ineffective there with the Lakers.Odom's game is getting past the slower pf and scoring a easy layup or making a play for someone else.He's also good at getting long rebounds.So lets say the Lakers will be better on defense but dont you need offense too?

there is very little flexibility and with Bynum's contract coming up for an extension this doesnt make our cap situation any better.  Next season might be a little better with Odoms contract coming off the book but thats considering we dont resign him or trade him for what will likely be another big contract with a longer term.

There would be if the Lakers dont sign Vujacic and Turiaf.They already have enough overpaid players and their about to add 2 more.Odom's contract coming off the books doesnt do the Lakers any good.The Lakers could care less about salaries when Kobe's contract is on the verge of ending in 3 years.The focus right now should be to win a title no matter what.After Kobe there is going to be a rebuilding process.Its smarter to trade Odom for something in return rather than worry about cap flexibility.As long as they stop signing dumb contracts and Kobe's expires,the Lakers will have plenty flexibility in a few years.Odom is too good of a player to lose for nothing in return.I dont see the Lakers resigning him either.Unless he has some sort of career year I think the Lakers would be reluctant to offer him the full mle.They'd probably prefer to part separate ways.

 But no, Maggette would rather be a small fish in a big pond than a big fish in a small pond, that is, he would rather win a championship with the Celtics than be the second or third option for the Lakers.  Word.

Vic hit it on the nose here.Maggette will be a small fish in a big pond one way or the other.Lets not talk as if the Lakers are scrubs.They just need some minor tweaking and even if they dont make changes they'll still be title contenders.I just wouldnt see them winning a title without a few changes.

However crotch I'm going to agree that Bynum wouldnt have made that much of a difference.Bynum is another overrated player as of now.He has a bright future but he's not some big gamechanger right now.Kendrick Perkins when healthy can give Bynum all he can handle on defense.I doubt Bynum wouldve been able to open up the Lakers offense playing against him.What couldve opened up the offense was another guard that could penetrate the lane besides Kobe.

As for the topic of this thread, I want to remind everyone that the Lakers also have Ariza, who I think is certainly better than Radmanovic and Walton.

Are you serious?Ariza has bad feet and a terrible outside shot.He's also not a good dribbler and he's completely useless on offense.He brings energy on the defensive end but I wouldnt depend on any of these guys to be huge factors in a playoff series.Why would the athletically challenged Magic trade away a promising g/f?Probably because he's not really promising.I'd rather play Walton who has the better all around game than both Ariza and Radmanovic.Ariza would be traded in a heartbeat without remorse along with anyone stupid enough to take Radmanovic and Walton.As soon as the Magic traded Ariza there were rumors about the condition of his feet(rumors were thats why they traded him).Not long after that he was out with a foot injury.

The rest of the NBA should just mail it in barring major injuries Lakers will go 4-4-4-4 and take the title and laugh as Shaq and Suns miss playoffs.

You Lakers fans said this last year and look how far that went?Then after the Lakers lose you start making excuses about the presence of Bynum.However even while Bynum was down and you guys were in 1st place there was nothing but talk about how the Lakers would win a title without Bynum.After they lost well...it wouldve been better with Bynum is the excuse.The Lakers still wouldve lost with Bynum,this is why they need to make changes.

Trippdub-A lot of your ideas are, well, retarded. First of all, there is no way Deron Williams would be going to Los Angeles next season, he's in talks now of signing a 4-5 year deal. 2nd of all, Utah is not a terrible defensive team in which you said.

Okay I admit him coming to the Lakers was an outlandish statement.Especially since the Jazz could match any offer anyway if he didnt get the extension.So I'm not even going to argue with that statement,I'll take that on the chin.If Odom's contract expires and Kobe opts out,the Lakers could sign a big free agent though.However saying the Jazz are a terrible defensive team isnt quite as outlandish.13th in the league in opp ppg isnt bad,however 22nd in bpg and 24 in rpg isnt impressive.They were 4th in the league in steals but what does that prove?The Warriors and Nuggets were 1st and 2nd.The Jazz are a soft defensive team which is why the Lakers had no problem beating them.


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July 8, 2008 3:38 pm
"Are you serious?Ariza has bad feet and a terrible outside shot.He's also not a good dribbler and he's completely useless on offense.He brings energy on the defensive end but I wouldnt depend on any of these guys to be huge factors in a playoff series.Why would the athletically challenged Magic trade away a promising g/f?Probably because he's not really promising.I'd rather play Walton who has the better all around game than both Ariza and Radmanovic.Ariza would be traded in a heartbeat without remorse along with anyone stupid enough to take Radmanovic and Walton.As soon as the Magic traded Ariza there were rumors about the condition of his feet(rumors were thats why they traded him).Not long after that he was out with a foot injury."

Perhaps you're right about him having bad feet. I believe the reason he was injured this season was due to incidental contact to his feet with Odom in practice. However, you're sorely mistaken about his potential. You're the only Laker fan I've heard so far that isn't dying to see him replace Radmanovic and Walton again in the rotation. Walton has some nice moves, but he often forces his shot and can't finish. He might have the biggest fg attempt to block ratio in the league. He's a bit of a klutz. He's nothing special as a defender. Walton has had PLENTY of opportunity on the Lakers. He never shined. His window is shut as far as I'm concerned.

Did you watch the Lakers at all before Ariza was injured? His role in the fast break was beautiful. He has shot over 50% the last two seasons. As long as he can hit the midrange jumper, which he can, his shot is just fine. Not to mention, he can always improve his 3 point shot. He's still very young and shot close to 30% this past season.

Last, your assessment that he couldn't be a factor in a playoff series is wrong. In his only playoff game with significant minutes, which was only 9 minutes against the Celtics, he had 6 points, 5 rebounds, 1 steal, and 1 block. In 9 minutes! That doesn't even take into account the way he was disrupting the passing lanes and little things like that. I hadn't seen anyone on the Lakers all series long play with the kind of energy he did in those 9 minutes. Not only did Phil not play him in the second half, he only played him 1 minute the next game. He showed some weird tendency towards Radmanovic and Walton when Ariza was clearly the best option.


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July 8, 2008 5:30 pm

I'm not sure who said that about Ariza, Niggs, but it is completely off base. First of all, Orlando traded Ariza because he was buried behind proven players in Rashard Lewis, and Hedo Turkoglu. Not really the ideal situation for a young player to grow. Orlando needed help inside, unfortunately for them, they took Cook, and help at SG with Evans.

Now we have Ariza, a super athletic wing player, who hasn't had any prior foot injuries (rumors!?), and just turned 23. He plays great defense, hustles, needs to improve his outside jumper, but has great shot mechanics. Outside shooting can be easily improved with a good work ethic, especially with a young player. He will be a better option than both Vlad and Luke next year who bring absolutely nothing to the table. Luke is only good when being defended by a smaller player (so his weak post up move doesn't get blocked), he commits careless turnovers, and doesn't have the quickness to guard anyone. Vlad is completely one dimensional as a situational shooter. That's it. Trevor has the potential to bring way more to the table than either of these two.

Walton has had PLENTY of opportunity on the Lakers. He never shined. His window is shut as far as I'm concerned.

My thoughts exactly, Niggs.

Now to Odom... he at least deserves a chance at SF. Tripp Dubb's assessment of him could be true, but I'll give Odom the benefit of the doubt that he can improve his shooting in the offseason, he did shoot 37% from downtown in 05-06. If not, he won't be effective for us there, similar to what we saw earlier this year when Phil toyed with he, Ronny, and Kwame together in the starting lineup. No one respects his outside jumper and his rebounding ability is limited being out on the wing. I'm in no way saying trade him though. Trading him would completely ruin the depth that we have inside. I'd rather see him used as a 6th man and keep him in rotation with Pau, and Bynum. Trading him for another SF would give us 4 SF's and only a combined 3 players inside (I don't count Mihm. See Luke and Vlad.) Doesn't make much sense IMO.


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July 8, 2008 5:49 pm

In seriousness here I heard rumors about the Magic trading him because he had foot problems.This was before he got hurt.Not long after that he injured h