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Is this one Trembley's fault?


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Is this one Trembley's fault?
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Since:Nov 28, 2006

July 9, 2008 6:29 am

Disclaimer:  I love Dave, and I think he is the manager for our immediate future.  I'm simply venting here while trying to get your input.

OK, we lose another via playing bad baseball.  I've already been picking on Freddie ... and will continue to do so ... but having read a couple recaps on the game, I'm wondering about Trembly's role in all this.

Normally I'd say he did the right thing in the 7th:  pull the guy while you have a 4 run lead.  He had walked 4 and given up 6 hits to that point.  HOWEVER ... his pitch count had only just hit 100.  He had a very solid 5th and 6th, and the tying run was not due up.  Here's what Daniel had to say: 
"I was supposed to get out of that inning," he said of the eventful seventh, which allowed the Blue Jays to erase Baltimore's lead and put them in position to win the game in their last at-bat. "I felt great by that point, but you know, I don't make that decision. That's the manager's decision. And whatever decision he makes, I agree with him."

Now Trembley:  "I thought he worked way too hard tonight," he said. "He might've been 50-50 or less than 50-50 with balls [and] strikes. His tempo early in the game was very deliberate and very slow. I think he rubbed up the ball on every pitch in between [batters]. He just didn't seem to get in any kind of rhythm early. ... Cabrera being who he is, he competes. I thought we were fortunate to get him through the sixth, [but] he had a couple easy innings before that. And they kind of let him off the hook."

Huh?  Is Dave really putting him down there?  Those comments just seem strange to me.  It's no wonder Cabrera stared into his locker for awhile after the game.

.....Now Ok, let's say that he did make the right move and pull Daniel.  We've had a piss poor last 8 game stretch, and everyone was rested after the off day ... so we go to Sarfate?  Why, just because he was recently 'appointed' the 7th inning go-to guy?  Come on - why not just go to Johnson, and let Sarfate pitch the 8th if the game is still at 4 runs.  I know this sounds backwards, but my thinking is that Johnson is there to get us out of the late inning jams, not Sarfate.

So ... did Trembley, along with Bynum, botch this one?  Or was he really doing what was right and necessary?

 

I'll say this as well:  I'm not going to apologize for our young, rebuilding team, when in the course of 10 days and 9 contests, we blow 5 games.  These were all games that were basically in the bag:  1 vs. DC, 2 vs, KC, 1 vs. Tex, and 1 vs. Tor.  I have been following the O's for 25+ years and of course know that these kinds of things will happen, but I can't but help lament the fact that we could, very easily, be going into tonight's game 49-39 and tied with Boston in the loss column for the Wild Card.  Any way you slice it, we've been playing some pretty bad baseball (sandwiched with some great pitching and steady offense) which is unacceptable whether you're rebuilding or not.


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July 9, 2008 7:17 am
I said in the other thread, and I'll repeat now, I think Bradford was the guy for that situation in the 7th.  Cabrera could've stayed in, but if you're going to the pen why not go for the ground ball pitcher to get you out of it with one or two pitches?

Sarfate should've been gone as soon as he walked a guy.  All the damage happened after a 2-out base on balls.

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July 9, 2008 8:04 am
I think Trembley pulled him too early.  He always talks about "he wants to see these starters go later, and get in situations that they need to buckle down and get out of late in games."  Well how can they do that if Trembley pulls them at the first sign of trouble late in the game.  I say they should have left him in longer.

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July 9, 2008 9:31 am

I wasn't watching the game.  I live in AZ, plus i don't have cable or satellite.  I was following on CBS gamelog.  It looked as if Cabrera was struggling.  He reminded me of Nuke LaLoosh, he couldn't hit water from a rowboat.  On gamelog, it looked more like connect the dots.  If anyone was watching, let me know if this is accurate.

Anyway, I think Trembley should have left him in for a couple of more batters to see if he could get himself out of the jam.  As others have said on various posts, this is an evaluation year.  How can you evaluate if you don't give the the players a chance? 


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July 9, 2008 9:55 am
I agree with Pitt that Bradford should have been the guy to go to in that situation. But we are a rebuilding team and as painful as it may be we have to find out if Sarfate and the other young guys can handle these situations. I can't defend Bynum, wouldn't want to,had to go to the bathroom at that point and almost went right in my chair when that happened. Hernandez was also to blame for last nights loss, he's becoming a DH quickly IMO and we can't even use him there.

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July 9, 2008 12:00 pm
The Orioles management is a farce. With the exception of Andy McPhail, all of them will be gone. Mike Flanigan is incompetent in his role (what was it again? and What exactly does he do or control?). Dave Trembley was a 20 year minor league manager and coach for a reason. He is not MLB material. Great (even good) managers are easily recognizable and go through organizations quickly. If it takes 20 years, there's a problem. Terry Crowley is a great guy. He never was much of a hitter in the majors and is old school. Rick Kranitz was a one year wonder and a second year dog. What arms Kranitz doesn't destroy, Trembley will certainly mismanage. The only thing that went right is that Joe Girardi turned the Orioles job down. He too is a one year wonder. Andy will find guys like a Rick Peterson to be the pitching coach. And if he's truly a good judge of character, a return of Mike Hargrove would be in order. He is exactly what a young team needs (see the last issue of TSN magazine on Hargrove). For the first time in a decade the Orioles will have a more rounded team with both offense and pitching. But to be competitive, there has to be talent and someone leading who knows how to use it. The talent is here and more is coming. The knowing how to use it is the problem the O's will need to correct.