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Since:Feb 20, 2008

March 13, 2008 1:47 pm
I am a Cincy Red fan and I am still scratching my head. Tampa didn't know what they had because of his issues so they let him go...understood. The Reds however knew what they had and pretty much gave him away....what?...are you kidding me? This could end up being one of the biggest blunders of all time. Trade Frank Robinson and then he wins the triple crown or trade Tony Perez for Woody Fryman. I'm not saying it will be as bad as those, but it might be.

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Reputation:87
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Since:Aug 24, 2006

March 13, 2008 3:57 pm
Did you see vaquez pitch there other day. i guess not. he is who they got for josh and he was the Rangers bets pitching prospect. so they did get something for him. saying that, i loved josh while he was here and it might be a bad today but only time will tell. with Jay Bruce coming into his own and the Reds needing pitching it was a risk they were willing to take. only time will tell how this trade ends up. good luck to josh.

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Since:Mar 11, 2008

March 13, 2008 4:53 pm
I'm a Reds fan too trying to keep track of my team here in the middle of Red Sox Nation.  From what I was able to follow of Hamilton's time in Cincinnati, he broke through and had a great year.  That said, the Reds seem to be strong in OF talent, and they needed pitching help so they had to part with him.  I hope he does well in Texas and that the players the Reds got (Francisco Cordero, etc) work out in Cincinnati.

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Since:Jan 10, 2007

March 13, 2008 7:12 pm
Volquez is good like the guy before me said. But I loved the story behind Hamilton and the way he played on the field. It killed me when I saw that the Reds traded him. I wanted to see him play for the Reds for years to come. I hope Josh has an MVP type year in 08' because from what I saw he is very capable. If Bruce doesn't pan out it could have been a horrible idea to trade Hamilton. Hopefully everything works out and we will in my perfect baseball season we will have a Reds/Rangers world series.


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Reputation:95
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Since:Aug 24, 2006

March 14, 2008 8:38 pm

So why in the heck is Bob Howsam not in the Hall of Fame?  So what seems to be the most lopsided trade in baseball history, or was it?  Not after Howsam got through with it.  Another thing that made the Robinson trade look even more lopsided was that the Orioles gave up Milt Pappas, who was their #2 starter.  Pappas's place in the rotation was taken by a 22 year old kid named Jim Palmer, who was a greater asset to the Orioles than Robinson. In 66 he was the youngest player to pitch a shutout in the World Series.

Pappas was a OK pitcher for the Reds and was traded to the Braves in the middle of the 68 season in a multi player deal.  The Reds got Clay "the Hawk" Carroll, who pitched for the Reds through the 75 season, and was traded to the White Sox for two pitchers who never pitched for the Reds.

The second player they got was Jack Baldchun, who was 1-5 for the Reds in 66 and released.  He was the closer on the Phiilies collapse of 64.

There was a "throw in" in outfielder Dick Simpson.  After two lackluster seasons with the Reds Howsam traded him to the Cardinals for a somewhat disgruntled outfielder Alex Johnson.  Johnson was inserted in the starting lineup and became an immediate success hitting over .300 for two years.  With Bernie Carbo and Hal McRae ready to come up, Johnson was traded to the Angels for three pitchers.  Jim McGlothlin pitched for them a couple of years, pitching in the 72 World Series.  McGlothlin died of cancer in 1975.  I often consider Pedro Borbon, alonh with Cesar Geronimo, the unsung heroes of the Big Red Machine.  Whe a  starter got bombed, Borbon came in a pitched enough innings for the Reds to get back in the game.  He pitched at least 120 innings of relief from 72-77  Vern Geisherdt never pitched the Reds.  When Bobby Tolan was knocked out for the 71 season, they needed someone to play center field.  What they got was not a good center fielder (Geronimo came with Morgan the following winter), but Geisherdt along with Frank Duffy was traded for George Foster.  In 1977, Foster was the only player in the 70s to hit 50 home runs, and was the most feared hitter in the National League in the late 70s.

So is five World Series Rings a suitable reward for the worst trade in baseball history?  The Perez trade was awful, but John Wettland (a Red for a week) for Willie Greene was a lot worse.  Over a decade of Jim Bowden was close to torture.  And Bob Howsam died without going into the Hall of Fame.