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Can we please get a recount. Giving the MVP to Kobe Rapist Bryant because he "hasn't got one yet and he's been in the league 12 years" is a terrible reason to give it to him. I don't think it is coincident that Derek Fisher shows up and all of a sudden the Lakers are an outstanding team.
Kobe isn't even the MVP of the Lakers - Derek Fisher is the heart and soul of that team. As much as I hate to say this, Manu Ginobili meant more to his team than Kobe meant to the Lakers (that is the definition of a MVP). Chris Paul was robbed; heck Deron Williams means more to the Jazz than Kobe does to the Lakers.
Suppose that either Kobe or Fisher had to sit out game five, who would you prefer sit out. As a Jazz fan, and seeing how important he is to team basketball, I definitely would prefer that Fisher sit. That is the epitome of an MVP (the person on your team that is in the driver's seat).
Kobe sucks!!! His game depends on going 1 on 1 and getting the benefit of the call (for which he initiates the contact); aside from that he has nothing that can't be defended. I understand that he is a great shooter, but not nearly as great as he has been made out to be.
I still think that the Lakers would be a far better team had they agreed with Kobe last offseason and traded him. He's a freakin' baby.
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I still think that the Lakers would be a far better team had they agreed with Kobe last offseason and traded him. He's a freakin' baby.Hey, whadda'ya know?...another Kobe hater coming out of the woodwork to come onto the Laker board to start yet another "I Hate Kobe" thread for sh*ts & giggles. Nice work, dumb-ass - now please go crawl back into whatever cave you crawled out of...
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Hey Jefe,
Good to see you are an arse on whichever board I find you on. Kobe hater? No. I just don't believe that he is the best...even on your team. When Fisher was out of tonight's game, the Lakers were lost, even with your MVP on the court. What does that tell you? He is OVER-RATED!! He cries any time he doesn't get the call - even though he was the one initiating the contact. Am I talking trash about the Lakers? Absolutely not - they are a great team, now that they have a great point guard and a good center. Kobe ran off the last big name center y'all had (in case you forgot about the Big Cactus) and was crying about how badly he wanted to leave, until Fisher turned the team around. I am a huge Derek Fisher fan, I wish he could have stayed another year in Utah (but I understand his heart wasn't in Utah).
Kobe SUCKS!! He is way OVER-RATED!! Let's hope that those who vote, get it right next year.
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You're right "midmajor" Fisher should've won the MVP. He was by far the best player in the league this year. But leave Jefe alone, that's my buddy.
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Sman, I thought Kobe was your buddy?
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No problem sman, thanks for asking nicely. You can take a little solace knowing that Pau and Fisher played a great part in that award - though it went to the wrong player. Yes his stats were AMAZING, but take away Fish or Pau, then you lose 10 -15 games more than you did; you'd be out of the playoffs. Kind of what Manu Ginobili did for the Spurs; without him, they'd be out.
I'm not saying Fisher should have won the MVP - but he IS the MVP of the Lakers.
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Jefe101,
I have you all wrong. I thought you were an arse, but it isn't that at all. You have a man crush on Kobe and got butt hurt that the Jazz evened things up. Hey, I don't hold that against you, he's probably your favorite player; everyone has one. You can't wear blinders though just because he's your fav. He's not the best in the league, by any means; you would have to contend that he meant more to the Lakers than LeBron James meant to the Cavaliers, or more than Chris Paul did to the Hornets, or Manu Ginobili to the Spurs, or Deron Williams to the Jazz, or Kevin Garnett to the Celtics. He doesn't even mean more to the Lakers than Derek Fisher or Pau Gasol.
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"midmajor",
First of all what are "arse" and "butt hurt" - not found in my dictionary, or book of idiomatic expressions - please clarify.
I do contend that Kobe means more to the Lakers than all those other guys you mentioned. Do you think Derek signs with the Lakers if not for Kobe? Do you think that Gasol's value is more pronounced wearing a Laker uniform than it is wealing a Grizzlies uniform in spite of similar stats? Do you think that Andrew Bynum's meteoric development happens without Kobe's charge? Kobe's MVP selection transcends statistics - it has to do with his value as a catalyst: Kobe is the unifying force of this team, whether he's on the floor or not. The fact that he simply exists as a member of the LA Lakers allows everyone else on this team to realize their ultimate potential and fulfill their true destinies. Do you think Derek Fisher realizes his potential backing up Deron Williams in Utah? Do you think Lamar Odom is able to do all the things he does playing with the Miami Heat? Do you think that the young core that forms the Lakers bench mob are able to perform at the high level that they do if not for the trust and confidence that Kobe has in each and every one of them? The value of the "whole" that is this Laker team is greater than the some of its individual parts because of Kobe - he is the unique force that transforms these players, his teammates, into the cohesive unit that they are. (Big props towards this end also have to go to the Phil Jackson and the Lakers coaching staff for their tutelage, and to Mitch Kupchak for getting these guys together in the first place.)
And, yes, I will admit that I have a very slight man-crush on Kobe.
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